Woman puts feces in special needs child’s feeding tube

Mom Taints Child’s Feeding Tube with Feces: Police:

Austin police: Woman put feces in child’s IV feeding tube:

Mother charged with feeding 3-year-old feces:

Say hello to the new face of Münchhausen by Proxy Syndrome. I mean that’s the only way i can explain why this happened.

Anyway that’s 23-year-old Emily McDonald of Austin, Texas. She was arrested for placing feces in the IV feeding tube of her 3-year-old daughter was in the hospital being treated for infections. Oddly enough doctors determined that those infections had been caused by the child being fed fecal matter.

When doctors figured out what was causing the infections they had a camera placed in the girl’s room. That’s when they allegedly caught McDonald putting fecal matter from the girl’s diaper into the IV tube. When arrested McDonald said she knew that the fecal matter would make the girl sick and knew that it could potentially kill her.

So what leads me to my totally unqualified diagnosis of MBP. Well it seems she constantly blogged about her kids medical conditions and frequented various parenting forums. While that’s not entirely indicative of MBP when you put the two together it kind of does. I’m not going to post links to the blog or the forums to protect the girl’s identity.

Also in my 9 years of blogging I’ve done some other posts about women who poisoned their kids who were believed to have had MBP that all used the same thing to poison their kids, human feces.

So Breeder Readers, I pose yet another question to you. Is Münchhausen by Proxy Syndrome a legitimate psychological disorder or are these birth organisms just being attention whores?

Thanks to Michelle, Melissa and Kathryn for the tips.

  • Rachel

    It’s apparent that MbPS is a legitimate psychological disorder that is defined, at least in part, by parents or caretakers being attention whores. As far as it being a “medico-legal entity,” there’s not much hope of pediatricians (or anyone else) accepting it as a factor that excuses parents or caretakers from incarceration, as incarcerceration presents the best outcome for all involved:
    (from Munchausen by Proxy Syndrome, http://kidshealth.org/parent/general/sick/munchausen.html#)

    “If Munchausen by proxy syndrome is suspected, health care providers are required by law to report their concerns. However, after a parent or caregiver is charged, the child’s symptoms may increase as the person who is accused attempts to prove the presence of the illness. If the parent or caregiver repeatedly denies the charges, the child should be removed from the home and legal action should be taken on the child’s behalf.

    In some cases, the parent or caregiver may deny the charges and move to another location, only to continue the behavior. Even if the child is returned to the perpetrator’s custody while protective services are still involved, the child may continue to be a victim of abuse. For these reasons, it’s always advised that these cases be resolved quickly…

    Most often, abusive Munchausen by proxy syndrome cases are resolved in one of three ways:

    1. the perpetrator is apprehended
    2. the perpetrator moves on to a younger child when the original victim gets old enough to ‘tell’
    3. the child dies”

    Some authorities claim that treating underlying depression, anxiety disorders, and histories of abuse with therapy & drugs can correct the harmful behavior of the caregiver. However, there’s not a lot of info about how true that is, and the stakes are pretty high for medical professionals and courts to risk tinkering with this kind of crazy when the perpetrator has kids at home, can have more kids, or can gain access to them through marriage or cohabitation.

  • Rachel

    It’s apparent that MbPS is a legitimate psychological disorder that is defined, at least in part, by parents or caretakers being attention whores. As far as it being a “medico-legal entity,” there’s not much hope of pediatricians (or anyone else) accepting it as a factor that excuses parents or caretakers from incarceration, as incarcerceration presents the best outcome for all involved:
    (from Munchausen by Proxy Syndrome, http://kidshealth.org/parent/general/sick/munchausen.html#)

    “If Munchausen by proxy syndrome is suspected, health care providers are required by law to report their concerns. However, after a parent or caregiver is charged, the child’s symptoms may increase as the person who is accused attempts to prove the presence of the illness. If the parent or caregiver repeatedly denies the charges, the child should be removed from the home and legal action should be taken on the child’s behalf.

    In some cases, the parent or caregiver may deny the charges and move to another location, only to continue the behavior. Even if the child is returned to the perpetrator’s custody while protective services are still involved, the child may continue to be a victim of abuse. For these reasons, it’s always advised that these cases be resolved quickly…

    Most often, abusive Munchausen by proxy syndrome cases are resolved in one of three ways:

    1. the perpetrator is apprehended
    2. the perpetrator moves on to a younger child when the original victim gets old enough to ‘tell’
    3. the child dies”

    Some authorities claim that treating underlying depression, anxiety disorders, and histories of abuse with therapy & drugs can correct the harmful behavior of the caregiver. However, there’s not a lot of info about how true that is, and the stakes are pretty high for medical professionals and courts to risk tinkering with this kind of crazy when the perpetrator has kids at home, can have more kids, or can gain access to them through marriage or cohabitation.

  • Hevel

    I have known Emily online since around the time Dakota was born. I didn’t particularly like her: she was a drama queen and her holier-than-thou attitude irritated me, but honestly, I was shocked when I found out. Poor baby.

  • Hevel

    I have known Emily online since around the time Dakota was born. I didn’t particularly like her: she was a drama queen and her holier-than-thou attitude irritated me, but honestly, I was shocked when I found out. Poor baby.

  • Jen

    They’re on a whole new level from attention whores. Attention whores can get attention without poisoning their children. These are sick evil bitches.

  • Jen

    They’re on a whole new level from attention whores. Attention whores can get attention without poisoning their children. These are sick evil bitches.

  • sfdude_2008

    Disgusting. All I have to say…

  • sfdude_2008

    Disgusting. All I have to say…

  • Alee

    MSBP is not a psychological disorder but clearly defined as child abuse under many state laws.

  • Alee

    MSBP is not a psychological disorder but clearly defined as child abuse under many state laws.

  • Bishop Black

    To me, it seems clear this woman is suffering from some variety of mental illness, if not MBP. Which, doesn’t excuse her actions by any means, but nothing else makes any sense – if she just wanted to get rid of the child, there are easier and quicker ways. If she was unable to recognize that she needed help herself, I feel someone in her private life should have noticed she needed help, and intervened. Though, I can’t discount that perhaps she’s just a fantastic actress and nobody had any clue she was ill.

  • Bishop Black

    To me, it seems clear this woman is suffering from some variety of mental illness, if not MBP. Which, doesn’t excuse her actions by any means, but nothing else makes any sense – if she just wanted to get rid of the child, there are easier and quicker ways. If she was unable to recognize that she needed help herself, I feel someone in her private life should have noticed she needed help, and intervened. Though, I can’t discount that perhaps she’s just a fantastic actress and nobody had any clue she was ill.

  • miriam

    As far as I can tell, “attention whore” is a very good description of munchausen by proxy…

  • miriam

    As far as I can tell, “attention whore” is a very good description of munchausen by proxy…

  • LeeAnn

    What really gets to me is the fact that this little girl started off fighting for her life. She was born premature and there are videos on youtube. So, makes me wonder if mom got used to all the attention of having a sick baby and when her little girl was thriving, she decided she wanted to relive some of that attention. It’s sad. Parents using their kids for attention.

    According to some other websites, she has 2 other children who were also born prematurely.

    I don’t know if I believe completely in MBP. I believe that some women and men, get some sort of satisfaction from making their child sick. I know this is one of the most harmful types of child abuse also. As a Mom, I hate seeing my kids sick. I hate seeing them hurt. My oldest was born very ill. She almost died. Even though I was young, I would have given anything to trade places with her. Now, she is a healthy and happy 12 year old. Although, we are getting to that age where the teenage angst sets in. lol

    Poor baby girl. I wonder what kind of damage that can do to a child’s mind. Your mom put feces in your feeding tube and made you sick because she is sick. Good luck to the family rationalizing that to the child, Dakota, I believe her name is. How freaking sad is that?

    At least it was caught before she killed her own daughter. The hospital staff thought with their heads.

  • LeeAnn

    What really gets to me is the fact that this little girl started off fighting for her life. She was born premature and there are videos on youtube. So, makes me wonder if mom got used to all the attention of having a sick baby and when her little girl was thriving, she decided she wanted to relive some of that attention. It’s sad. Parents using their kids for attention.

    According to some other websites, she has 2 other children who were also born prematurely.

    I don’t know if I believe completely in MBP. I believe that some women and men, get some sort of satisfaction from making their child sick. I know this is one of the most harmful types of child abuse also. As a Mom, I hate seeing my kids sick. I hate seeing them hurt. My oldest was born very ill. She almost died. Even though I was young, I would have given anything to trade places with her. Now, she is a healthy and happy 12 year old. Although, we are getting to that age where the teenage angst sets in. lol

    Poor baby girl. I wonder what kind of damage that can do to a child’s mind. Your mom put feces in your feeding tube and made you sick because she is sick. Good luck to the family rationalizing that to the child, Dakota, I believe her name is. How freaking sad is that?

    At least it was caught before she killed her own daughter. The hospital staff thought with their heads.

  • Samantha

    MBP is very real. I have seen it several times, not to this extent, but still yet.
    How cruel and disgusting can you be to put fecal matter into your child? Thats just plain wrong.
    I agree with the statement that if she just wanted to kill her she could have gone about it a much different way. She wanted the attention, which probably was brought on by having premature kids. She may have even been attention seeking her whole miserable life.
    Any word on how this little girl is doing? Has she made a recovery from it? And has anyone checked out the other kids I wonder?

  • Samantha

    MBP is very real. I have seen it several times, not to this extent, but still yet.
    How cruel and disgusting can you be to put fecal matter into your child? Thats just plain wrong.
    I agree with the statement that if she just wanted to kill her she could have gone about it a much different way. She wanted the attention, which probably was brought on by having premature kids. She may have even been attention seeking her whole miserable life.
    Any word on how this little girl is doing? Has she made a recovery from it? And has anyone checked out the other kids I wonder?

  • Hevel

    LeAnn, I believe that her eldest was full term. I, however, couldn’t help wondering after reading this that getting all the attention after her preemie son’s birth did anything to do with having a 25 weeker next… Probably not, but I did have to wonder.

    Samantha, it is said that Dakota is expected to make a full recovery from this incident, but who knows how much of her permanent issues were caused by her mom. Also the other two kids are with their dad (or rather, stepdad and dad), and are not considered to be in danger.

  • Hevel

    LeAnn, I believe that her eldest was full term. I, however, couldn’t help wondering after reading this that getting all the attention after her preemie son’s birth did anything to do with having a 25 weeker next… Probably not, but I did have to wonder.

    Samantha, it is said that Dakota is expected to make a full recovery from this incident, but who knows how much of her permanent issues were caused by her mom. Also the other two kids are with their dad (or rather, stepdad and dad), and are not considered to be in danger.

  • Samantha

    Ok good.
    I hope this child can recover fully and not have lerm term effects because of her stupid selfish mother.

  • Samantha

    Ok good.
    I hope this child can recover fully and not have lerm term effects because of her stupid selfish mother.

  • Kitty

    She should never be allowed near her children again.

    Illness or not, there’s no excuse for this woman. She knows right from wrong.

    She needs the shit kicked out of her and then fed back to her…. Repeat as needed.

  • Kitty

    She should never be allowed near her children again.

    Illness or not, there’s no excuse for this woman. She knows right from wrong.

    She needs the shit kicked out of her and then fed back to her…. Repeat as needed.

  • Lynn’s Daughter

    Well, a mental disorder is any way of thinking and resulting behavior that is maladaptive or causes distress. It doesn’t always mean that behavior is out of the person’s control. There are “personality disorders” that are considered mental disorders, but not to the degree that one would be able to use it as a legal excuse or to get disability payments. I think that’s the confusion among laypeople, sometimes. This is probalby in the realm of impulse control or anxiety disorders, but it’s still within her control, and she has self-awareness that what she is doing is wrong, so she’s fully culpable.

  • Lynn’s Daughter

    Well, a mental disorder is any way of thinking and resulting behavior that is maladaptive or causes distress. It doesn’t always mean that behavior is out of the person’s control. There are “personality disorders” that are considered mental disorders, but not to the degree that one would be able to use it as a legal excuse or to get disability payments. I think that’s the confusion among laypeople, sometimes. This is probalby in the realm of impulse control or anxiety disorders, but it’s still within her control, and she has self-awareness that what she is doing is wrong, so she’s fully culpable.

  • Lori

    I found her lone entry in her myspace and she seems like a major whiner. I am a stay at home mom with 4 kids and while life may be monotonous at times, I know how to create fun times *with* my kids. She resorts to making her kid sick for excitement? Vile.

    Here’s a quote from her myspace in 2005:

    “All I ever do now is school, take care of the kids, work, go to sleep. My days are completely borring now. If I had known 5yrs ago that this is what my life would be like, I would have definitely thought twice about some of my choices. Don’t get me wrong, I love my kids and my husband but nothing exciting ever happens in my life. How I crave the adventure that is now lacking. The first part of a Tool quote Stephen once used in a note to me comes to mind: “hope this is what you wanted. hope this is what you had in mind. cause this is what you’re getting. i hope you choke.” So maybe the last part doesn’t quite fit but the rest does.”

  • Lori

    I found her lone entry in her myspace and she seems like a major whiner. I am a stay at home mom with 4 kids and while life may be monotonous at times, I know how to create fun times *with* my kids. She resorts to making her kid sick for excitement? Vile.

    Here’s a quote from her myspace in 2005:

    “All I ever do now is school, take care of the kids, work, go to sleep. My days are completely borring now. If I had known 5yrs ago that this is what my life would be like, I would have definitely thought twice about some of my choices. Don’t get me wrong, I love my kids and my husband but nothing exciting ever happens in my life. How I crave the adventure that is now lacking. The first part of a Tool quote Stephen once used in a note to me comes to mind: “hope this is what you wanted. hope this is what you had in mind. cause this is what you’re getting. i hope you choke.” So maybe the last part doesn’t quite fit but the rest does.”

  • Lori

    Check this out, from a web page about the neonatal ICU reunion picnic..

    “Attending the reunion is something our family looks forward to throughout the year,” said Emily McDonald, whose daughter Dakota Rose spent 225 days in the NICU and son Julian spent 63 days in the NICU. “It’s a time to celebrate the lives of the babies and children who wouldn’t be here if it were not for the hard work and dedication of the doctors and nurses.”

    I also wonder if she deliberately induced herself early (there are ways of doing that) for the excitement and attention another preemie would bring.

  • Lori

    Check this out, from a web page about the neonatal ICU reunion picnic..

    “Attending the reunion is something our family looks forward to throughout the year,” said Emily McDonald, whose daughter Dakota Rose spent 225 days in the NICU and son Julian spent 63 days in the NICU. “It’s a time to celebrate the lives of the babies and children who wouldn’t be here if it were not for the hard work and dedication of the doctors and nurses.”

    I also wonder if she deliberately induced herself early (there are ways of doing that) for the excitement and attention another preemie would bring.

  • Bishop Black

    Wouldn’t be surprising. I frequent a parenting forum and a lot of women try to induce early for any number of reasons, someone who is attention seeking would be a prime candidate for that.

  • Bishop Black

    Wouldn’t be surprising. I frequent a parenting forum and a lot of women try to induce early for any number of reasons, someone who is attention seeking would be a prime candidate for that.

  • LeeAnn

    OMG! Both times I was pregnant I was scared to death of preterm labor. To even think women WANT to induce early is frightening.

    I agree. She should not be allowed to visit her children again. Or if she does, it should be closely monitored. That is just sick.

    Poor kid.

  • LeeAnn

    OMG! Both times I was pregnant I was scared to death of preterm labor. To even think women WANT to induce early is frightening.

    I agree. She should not be allowed to visit her children again. Or if she does, it should be closely monitored. That is just sick.

    Poor kid.

  • http://www.parentsbehavingbadly.com/ Trench Reynolds

    I also wonder if she deliberately induced herself early (there are ways of doing that) for the excitement and attention another preemie would bring.

    I wondered that myself.

  • http://www.parentsbehavingbadly.com Trench Reynolds

    I also wonder if she deliberately induced herself early (there are ways of doing that) for the excitement and attention another preemie would bring.

    I wondered that myself.

  • Kathy

    MBP is a disorder but it does not excuse the mother’s behavior any more than a diagnosis of sociopathy/pyschopathy excuses the serial killer/rapist. The fact that Emily hid her actions and was sneaky about putting the feces into the feeding tube is enough proof to me that she was aware that what she was doing was wrong. That also means she had to plan when to do it and think about how to get away with it. Is there a charge for premeditated attempted murder? She needs to be held accountable. Her intent was to harm or kill her child.

    I feel sad for the 3 y/o. If there is no other family member able to take care of her, she’ll end up in the system for a long time. It is difficult for most families to take care of a severely handicapped child (unless you’re Karen!!!). The amount of time, energy, expense can be draining for even the most lovely, caring, conscientious person. I pray that the little one finds a good home.

  • Kathy

    MBP is a disorder but it does not excuse the mother’s behavior any more than a diagnosis of sociopathy/pyschopathy excuses the serial killer/rapist. The fact that Emily hid her actions and was sneaky about putting the feces into the feeding tube is enough proof to me that she was aware that what she was doing was wrong. That also means she had to plan when to do it and think about how to get away with it. Is there a charge for premeditated attempted murder? She needs to be held accountable. Her intent was to harm or kill her child.

    I feel sad for the 3 y/o. If there is no other family member able to take care of her, she’ll end up in the system for a long time. It is difficult for most families to take care of a severely handicapped child (unless you’re Karen!!!). The amount of time, energy, expense can be draining for even the most lovely, caring, conscientious person. I pray that the little one finds a good home.

  • Hevel

    Kathy, I read that first they were going to charge her with attempted murder, but since Dakota was in the care of medical professionals they seem to have dropped that idea.

    Dakota has a loving father, and they live with or on the same property as Emily’s parents. I don’t think she needs to find a good home: with her mom out of the picture she seems to already have one.

  • Hevel

    Kathy, I read that first they were going to charge her with attempted murder, but since Dakota was in the care of medical professionals they seem to have dropped that idea.

    Dakota has a loving father, and they live with or on the same property as Emily’s parents. I don’t think she needs to find a good home: with her mom out of the picture she seems to already have one.

  • The Sallow Thing

    I’ve always considered Münchhausen by Proxy Syndrome a fancy label for attention whore.

  • The Sallow Thing

    I’ve always considered Münchhausen by Proxy Syndrome a fancy label for attention whore.

  • tk

    Hi there – new to the site. Well, sort of, it took me awhile to read the past entries & I’d get sick of reading…then I’d pick up again after my stomach chilled out. I’d want to post, & then not. But here I am now. :)

    In my opinion an attention whore is a stage mom. Someone who wants attention their kids bring…but not through harm. Or at least the normal definition of harm. Pageantry for babies is a whole different subject! MBP is real & a person who is labeled that is far more dangerous than being labeled an attention whore. Being an AF is just a character defect….MBP is something that is regarded as sick & skeevy.

    So I googled the lady & keeping w/ Trench’s choice to keep the little girl anonymous I found a myspace of the mom w/ a disturbing blog. Only 1 entry on it:

    “20yrs have come and gone
    I can’t figure out if it’s normal not to care about your birthday after a certain point or if there’s something wrong with me. Quite frankly, I don’t care at all. It’s just another day. All I ever do now is school, take care of the kids, work, go to sleep. My days are completely borring now. If I had known 5yrs ago that this is what my life would be like, I would have definitely thought twice about some of my choices. Don’t get me wrong, I love my kids and my husband but nothing exciting ever happens in my life. How I crave the adventure that is now lacking. The first part of a Tool quote Stephen once used in a note to me comes to mind: “hope this is what you wanted. hope this is what you had in mind. cause this is what you’re getting. i hope you choke.” So maybe the last part doesn’t quite fit but the rest does. ”

    To me…this says MBP.

  • tk

    Hi there – new to the site. Well, sort of, it took me awhile to read the past entries & I’d get sick of reading…then I’d pick up again after my stomach chilled out. I’d want to post, & then not. But here I am now. :)

    In my opinion an attention whore is a stage mom. Someone who wants attention their kids bring…but not through harm. Or at least the normal definition of harm. Pageantry for babies is a whole different subject! MBP is real & a person who is labeled that is far more dangerous than being labeled an attention whore. Being an AF is just a character defect….MBP is something that is regarded as sick & skeevy.

    So I googled the lady & keeping w/ Trench’s choice to keep the little girl anonymous I found a myspace of the mom w/ a disturbing blog. Only 1 entry on it:

    “20yrs have come and gone
    I can’t figure out if it’s normal not to care about your birthday after a certain point or if there’s something wrong with me. Quite frankly, I don’t care at all. It’s just another day. All I ever do now is school, take care of the kids, work, go to sleep. My days are completely borring now. If I had known 5yrs ago that this is what my life would be like, I would have definitely thought twice about some of my choices. Don’t get me wrong, I love my kids and my husband but nothing exciting ever happens in my life. How I crave the adventure that is now lacking. The first part of a Tool quote Stephen once used in a note to me comes to mind: “hope this is what you wanted. hope this is what you had in mind. cause this is what you’re getting. i hope you choke.” So maybe the last part doesn’t quite fit but the rest does. ”

    To me…this says MBP.

  • Angel

    OK, I haven’t seen anyone address this yet, so here goes…..

    Did anyone notice that she is 23 years old, has four kids, and the (apparently) youngest is three years old? If I have done my math correctly, then this means that she could have been no older than 16 years old when she got pregnant with her first. And that IS taking into account the fact that at least two of them were preemies. If she got pregnant with the next child the day after giving birth to the previous one 16 for a first pregnancy is possible. But since it’s unlikely that she did that, I’m guessing her first pregnancy was at 14 or 15? Trench, do we have any information on this aspect of the the story? I would be interested in finding out.

    Not that it changes the fact that she was obviously willing to risk her child’s life for some attention. I don’t know if feeding her raw sewage for a few weeks might be a good idea or not….I think she might actually BE raw sewage. Piece of crap. Piss on her.

  • Angel

    OK, I haven’t seen anyone address this yet, so here goes…..

    Did anyone notice that she is 23 years old, has four kids, and the (apparently) youngest is three years old? If I have done my math correctly, then this means that she could have been no older than 16 years old when she got pregnant with her first. And that IS taking into account the fact that at least two of them were preemies. If she got pregnant with the next child the day after giving birth to the previous one 16 for a first pregnancy is possible. But since it’s unlikely that she did that, I’m guessing her first pregnancy was at 14 or 15? Trench, do we have any information on this aspect of the the story? I would be interested in finding out.

    Not that it changes the fact that she was obviously willing to risk her child’s life for some attention. I don’t know if feeding her raw sewage for a few weeks might be a good idea or not….I think she might actually BE raw sewage. Piece of crap. Piss on her.

  • Kari

    this is going to sound cold but all well sometimes people who may have/do have mental conditions just should not care for children my father had paranoid schizophrenia and could not get control of it. so my mom left him to protect us and he stayed away physically,but still sent the birthday cards, presents, child support, and would write letters on occasion because he did not want to potentially cause us harm like in the past. But as we got older and were able to understand his condition he began to come around but still kept his distance. I’m sure she recognized it was not right hence why she did it when she thought no one was looking and knowing the difference between right and wrong she failed as a parent by doing this anyways and should be punished.

  • Kari

    this is going to sound cold but all well sometimes people who may have/do have mental conditions just should not care for children my father had paranoid schizophrenia and could not get control of it. so my mom left him to protect us and he stayed away physically,but still sent the birthday cards, presents, child support, and would write letters on occasion because he did not want to potentially cause us harm like in the past. But as we got older and were able to understand his condition he began to come around but still kept his distance. I’m sure she recognized it was not right hence why she did it when she thought no one was looking and knowing the difference between right and wrong she failed as a parent by doing this anyways and should be punished.

  • Angel

    Also, as far as I’m concerned, the initials MBPS could just as well be an acronym for “Mean Bitch Predator Sluts”, or “Monster Bitches Preying on Society”.

    If they’re insane, put them in a loony bin, and if they’re NOT insane, put them in jail. Mollycoddling these people only gives other abusive people incentive and ideas on more creative ways to torture their own children.

  • Angel

    Also, as far as I’m concerned, the initials MBPS could just as well be an acronym for “Mean Bitch Predator Sluts”, or “Monster Bitches Preying on Society”.

    If they’re insane, put them in a loony bin, and if they’re NOT insane, put them in jail. Mollycoddling these people only gives other abusive people incentive and ideas on more creative ways to torture their own children.

  • Mare

    I have one special needs child – my daughter is profoundly deaf and has musculoskeletal issues as well. The only times I bring her up to attention is to get the best possible care, funding and education for her. I am a tiger Mama when it comes to my kid. And trust me, she is first in line everywhere she goes! I cannot imagine surfing on someone’s suffering to get attention. Not a day goes by that I don’t think that I would gladly cut off my ears with my dullest kitchen knife if it would let my baby hear me sing “I Love You Forever”

    I don’t care what mental issues the “mom” has. I would like to see her eat human sh*t sandwiches for breakfast, lunch and dinner for the rest of her natural life. Oh, maybe mix it up with some dog and horse… Sometimes the death penalty is too good for people.

  • Mare

    I have one special needs child – my daughter is profoundly deaf and has musculoskeletal issues as well. The only times I bring her up to attention is to get the best possible care, funding and education for her. I am a tiger Mama when it comes to my kid. And trust me, she is first in line everywhere she goes! I cannot imagine surfing on someone’s suffering to get attention. Not a day goes by that I don’t think that I would gladly cut off my ears with my dullest kitchen knife if it would let my baby hear me sing “I Love You Forever”

    I don’t care what mental issues the “mom” has. I would like to see her eat human sh*t sandwiches for breakfast, lunch and dinner for the rest of her natural life. Oh, maybe mix it up with some dog and horse… Sometimes the death penalty is too good for people.

  • sfdude_2008

    You stupid so-called mother! She actually cared more about her ugly self…AND ACTUALLY FORGOT THAT SHE HAD FOUR BLESSINGS!!!!! WAKE UP CALL!!! So you like to feed your children poop, eh? Well then, Emily McDonald, how about if we force-feed you with crap-tainted food of any kind (sorry for the pornographic reference, guys)!

  • sfdude_2008

    You stupid so-called mother! She actually cared more about her ugly self…AND ACTUALLY FORGOT THAT SHE HAD FOUR BLESSINGS!!!!! WAKE UP CALL!!! So you like to feed your children poop, eh? Well then, Emily McDonald, how about if we force-feed you with crap-tainted food of any kind (sorry for the pornographic reference, guys)!

  • Jamie

    I’m sure it is a mental disorder but not one that can be cured with medication or treatment. People with this problem should be locked up forever or kept away from children. Women with this disorder should have their tubes tied or a hysterectomy. I vote for a hysterectomy since it has been known that tube tying doesn’t work 100 % of the time.

  • Jamie

    I’m sure it is a mental disorder but not one that can be cured with medication or treatment. People with this problem should be locked up forever or kept away from children. Women with this disorder should have their tubes tied or a hysterectomy. I vote for a hysterectomy since it has been known that tube tying doesn’t work 100 % of the time.

  • Barsyn2

    I have a special needs child. My child has one of the same genetic disorders as Emily’s daughter. A mutual internet acquaintance introduced us (over the internet) when Emily’s daughter was about 12 months old. I’ve been following her Livejournal & Blogger ever since.

    I never suspected a thing. I always thought Emily was supermom. She never seemed unhappy to me. She took care of 3 kids, two of which were premature with health issues, but the youngest was the worst off. She had respiratory problems from the beginning and came home from the hospital on a trach ventilator. She has GI problems, heart problems, genetic kidney problems, chromosomal defects… some stuff you can’t fake.

    When the story first broke I was SHOCKED. I thought for sure she must have just cracked under the pressure and stress of taking care of two special needs kids. I thought she must have become depressed and cracked and in her unclear thinking sought relief from it by ending her daughter’s life. I can relate to being that exhausted and desperate. I can’t relate to hurting my child.

    As the hours pass, I’m starting to feel less pity and more disgust. I just don’t know what to think. I’d like to think she can be put on anti-depressants and everything will be peachy again. It’s really surreal to have a trusted acquaintance, someone you care about, suddenly turn out to be a fraud.

    And just for the sake of clarification – Emily did not shovel poop into her daughter’s mouth, or g-button. This was like a PICC line in her neck that went to her bloodstream for TPN (IV Nutrition) – because she could not eat normally. The news articles are misleading and sensationalizing the story to get your attention. Emily did not “feed” the child feces, she soiled an IV line. Equally sick, twisted and unacceptable… but very different.

  • Barsyn2

    I have a special needs child. My child has one of the same genetic disorders as Emily’s daughter. A mutual internet acquaintance introduced us (over the internet) when Emily’s daughter was about 12 months old. I’ve been following her Livejournal & Blogger ever since.

    I never suspected a thing. I always thought Emily was supermom. She never seemed unhappy to me. She took care of 3 kids, two of which were premature with health issues, but the youngest was the worst off. She had respiratory problems from the beginning and came home from the hospital on a trach ventilator. She has GI problems, heart problems, genetic kidney problems, chromosomal defects… some stuff you can’t fake.

    When the story first broke I was SHOCKED. I thought for sure she must have just cracked under the pressure and stress of taking care of two special needs kids. I thought she must have become depressed and cracked and in her unclear thinking sought relief from it by ending her daughter’s life. I can relate to being that exhausted and desperate. I can’t relate to hurting my child.

    As the hours pass, I’m starting to feel less pity and more disgust. I just don’t know what to think. I’d like to think she can be put on anti-depressants and everything will be peachy again. It’s really surreal to have a trusted acquaintance, someone you care about, suddenly turn out to be a fraud.

    And just for the sake of clarification – Emily did not shovel poop into her daughter’s mouth, or g-button. This was like a PICC line in her neck that went to her bloodstream for TPN (IV Nutrition) – because she could not eat normally. The news articles are misleading and sensationalizing the story to get your attention. Emily did not “feed” the child feces, she soiled an IV line. Equally sick, twisted and unacceptable… but very different.

  • Kathy

    Soiled an IV line? Put feces directly into the blood stream? I’m not a doctor, but that sounds a LOT more dangerous to the child than putting feces into the feeding tube. At least in a feeding tube, the feces could be partially processed by the body and some of the toxins removed by the body’s organs. But, directly tainting the blood stream and possibly causing what could be a fatal infection is attempted murder. The fact that she did it repeatedly and tried to hide, means it was pre-meditated.

    Barsyn2, I’m sorry you ever had to get hooked up with her. Your thoughts of her being a supermom aren’t far-fetched. How many times to the neighbors/acquaintences of serial killers say, “I knew that *bleep* was killing women and stuffing ’em in the garbage dump”? Instead they all say “he was so quiet and helpful…. I just can’t believe it!”

    Hevel – I’m grateful that the child has loving family members who can provide a safe environment. That is good news.

  • Kathy

    Soiled an IV line? Put feces directly into the blood stream? I’m not a doctor, but that sounds a LOT more dangerous to the child than putting feces into the feeding tube. At least in a feeding tube, the feces could be partially processed by the body and some of the toxins removed by the body’s organs. But, directly tainting the blood stream and possibly causing what could be a fatal infection is attempted murder. The fact that she did it repeatedly and tried to hide, means it was pre-meditated.

    Barsyn2, I’m sorry you ever had to get hooked up with her. Your thoughts of her being a supermom aren’t far-fetched. How many times to the neighbors/acquaintences of serial killers say, “I knew that *bleep* was killing women and stuffing ’em in the garbage dump”? Instead they all say “he was so quiet and helpful…. I just can’t believe it!”

    Hevel – I’m grateful that the child has loving family members who can provide a safe environment. That is good news.

  • Barsyn2

    I think “feeding poop” is more… what’s the right word?… revolting.. than “spreading germs”. Yes, it does seem more dangerous.

    I’m not making excuses or trying to say she is innocent. She needs help, and the child needs to be protected from her.

    I think, as someone who has experienced depression before, I don’t think that depression should be punished. I feel empathy for people who are depressed.

    I don’t feel pity for people who hurt themselves or others in order to get sympathy or attention.

    Since I sort of “knew” her and I genuinely liked her, and I cared for her daughter from a distance… I feel very conflicted about it.

    If Emily’s daughter wasn’t premature, with genetic and chromosomal problems, but was a normal kid who was made sick by her mother, I’d feel no confusion over the matter whatsoever. I just think this is a really complicated case.

  • Barsyn2

    I think “feeding poop” is more… what’s the right word?… revolting.. than “spreading germs”. Yes, it does seem more dangerous.

    I’m not making excuses or trying to say she is innocent. She needs help, and the child needs to be protected from her.

    I think, as someone who has experienced depression before, I don’t think that depression should be punished. I feel empathy for people who are depressed.

    I don’t feel pity for people who hurt themselves or others in order to get sympathy or attention.

    Since I sort of “knew” her and I genuinely liked her, and I cared for her daughter from a distance… I feel very conflicted about it.

    If Emily’s daughter wasn’t premature, with genetic and chromosomal problems, but was a normal kid who was made sick by her mother, I’d feel no confusion over the matter whatsoever. I just think this is a really complicated case.

  • Hevel

    Some people said that Emily has 4 kids. It is really 3. The eldest is a kindergartener.

    It seems Emily is on house arrest as she was online earlier as evidenced by a chat log posted on LJ by a mutual (former) friend.

  • Hevel

    Some people said that Emily has 4 kids. It is really 3. The eldest is a kindergartener.

    It seems Emily is on house arrest as she was online earlier as evidenced by a chat log posted on LJ by a mutual (former) friend.

  • Kathy

    @Barsyn2– I can understand your confliction. Your experience with her led you to think she was a wonderful mother. However, regardless of depression, poisoning your child with her own feces (or anything else) shows intent to do harm. MBP or not, she tried to harm her child. She intentionally put feces into an IV tube that could have caused a severe and fatal blood infection. She knew enough to try to hide what she was doing. She was caught ON CAMERA poisoning her child.

    If I was depressed and decided to go out and get drunk to try to relieve my depression and then killed a family while I was driving drunk, would there be any sympathy for my depressed state? Or, would sfdude call me a vile fat bloated whore and wish many unhappy and hurtful things upon me during my prison stay? 😉

    I have been depressed. It was depressing to realize that I would never be able to give my husband a child of his own DNA. But, regardless of how sad, depressed, and heart wrenching that was, I knew not to 1. Cut a baby out of some pregnant woman, 2. Snatch a baby when no one was looking, 3. Drink myself into oblivion or use drugs and get in my car, 4. Harm people who could have children, 5. etc.

    Emily deliberately and calculatingly (is that a word? Tyrone?) poisoned her daughter. And, that’s why her story is on THIS blog.

    I undertand that caring for a severly handicapped child is HARD. Long hours, little or no time to yourself, constantly advocating for your childs rights to services and care… the list seems endless. But, YOU and many others do so without causing harm to your children. That’s the difference between you and Emily.

  • Kathy

    @Barsyn2– I can understand your confliction. Your experience with her led you to think she was a wonderful mother. However, regardless of depression, poisoning your child with her own feces (or anything else) shows intent to do harm. MBP or not, she tried to harm her child. She intentionally put feces into an IV tube that could have caused a severe and fatal blood infection. She knew enough to try to hide what she was doing. She was caught ON CAMERA poisoning her child.

    If I was depressed and decided to go out and get drunk to try to relieve my depression and then killed a family while I was driving drunk, would there be any sympathy for my depressed state? Or, would sfdude call me a vile fat bloated whore and wish many unhappy and hurtful things upon me during my prison stay? 😉

    I have been depressed. It was depressing to realize that I would never be able to give my husband a child of his own DNA. But, regardless of how sad, depressed, and heart wrenching that was, I knew not to 1. Cut a baby out of some pregnant woman, 2. Snatch a baby when no one was looking, 3. Drink myself into oblivion or use drugs and get in my car, 4. Harm people who could have children, 5. etc.

    Emily deliberately and calculatingly (is that a word? Tyrone?) poisoned her daughter. And, that’s why her story is on THIS blog.

    I undertand that caring for a severly handicapped child is HARD. Long hours, little or no time to yourself, constantly advocating for your childs rights to services and care… the list seems endless. But, YOU and many others do so without causing harm to your children. That’s the difference between you and Emily.

  • Mare

    As a lifelong depressed and now medicated individual (Celexa, thanks for asking) myself, I also feel a certain amount of sympathy for depressed people. However, depression is a personal issue – it involves the self. Depression does not result in psychotic deranged murderous behaviour, Barsyn, it just doesn’t. Maybe it results in an unhealthy addiction to frequent chocolate cake ingestion, but I’ve never had the urge to inject my children with shit, nor has any of the countless depressed and/or medicated individuals I know, love, and work with.

    I think this woman should be stripped of all access to her children and others. FOREVER. WTF as to who thinks to do something so downright evil??? It’s not a complicated case! This was an intentional act of harm – she knew it could kill her child – and four little words apply: “Thou Shalt Not Kill”.

    I think this woman should be fully prosecuted as accountable and intending to commit murder – she knew right from wrong, but she put her sick needs and urges first.

    Don’t beat yourself up about your friendship – she obviously fooled a lot of people – I hear psychopaths are good at that.

  • Mare

    As a lifelong depressed and now medicated individual (Celexa, thanks for asking) myself, I also feel a certain amount of sympathy for depressed people. However, depression is a personal issue – it involves the self. Depression does not result in psychotic deranged murderous behaviour, Barsyn, it just doesn’t. Maybe it results in an unhealthy addiction to frequent chocolate cake ingestion, but I’ve never had the urge to inject my children with shit, nor has any of the countless depressed and/or medicated individuals I know, love, and work with.

    I think this woman should be stripped of all access to her children and others. FOREVER. WTF as to who thinks to do something so downright evil??? It’s not a complicated case! This was an intentional act of harm – she knew it could kill her child – and four little words apply: “Thou Shalt Not Kill”.

    I think this woman should be fully prosecuted as accountable and intending to commit murder – she knew right from wrong, but she put her sick needs and urges first.

    Don’t beat yourself up about your friendship – she obviously fooled a lot of people – I hear psychopaths are good at that.

  • sfdude_2008

    @Kathy:

    “If I was depressed and decided to go out and get drunk to try to relieve my depression and then killed a family while I was driving drunk, would there be any sympathy for my depressed state? Or, would sfdude call me a vile fat bloated whore and wish many unhappy and hurtful things upon me during my prison stay? ;-)”

    With all due respect, Kathy, I wouldn’t call you that. And I wouldn’t wish you anything horrible.

  • sfdude_2008

    @Kathy:

    “If I was depressed and decided to go out and get drunk to try to relieve my depression and then killed a family while I was driving drunk, would there be any sympathy for my depressed state? Or, would sfdude call me a vile fat bloated whore and wish many unhappy and hurtful things upon me during my prison stay? ;-)”

    With all due respect, Kathy, I wouldn’t call you that. And I wouldn’t wish you anything horrible.

  • Kathy

    sfdude… it was a joke. And, yes… I do believe that if I was featured on here for some horrendous offense instead of a frequent and sometimes annoying poster), that you and many others would have choice words for me. And, I would EXPECT you to be horrified if I did something as awful as choosing to drive while intoxicated causing the death of my own or anyone else’s children. :-)

    I would expect you, IHK2, LIsa, Samantha, Mare, and the many other regular posters to suggest that I be shot, or sliced with razor blades and dipped in alcohol, or whatever other scary and horrific punishment you can think of. But, I can say that because I don’t ever see myself being featured on this site for an offense against a child. Grown ups who cut me off in traffic… well, THAT’s another story. lol (just kidding!!! I don’t get road rage).

  • Kathy

    sfdude… it was a joke. And, yes… I do believe that if I was featured on here for some horrendous offense instead of a frequent and sometimes annoying poster), that you and many others would have choice words for me. And, I would EXPECT you to be horrified if I did something as awful as choosing to drive while intoxicated causing the death of my own or anyone else’s children. :-)

    I would expect you, IHK2, LIsa, Samantha, Mare, and the many other regular posters to suggest that I be shot, or sliced with razor blades and dipped in alcohol, or whatever other scary and horrific punishment you can think of. But, I can say that because I don’t ever see myself being featured on this site for an offense against a child. Grown ups who cut me off in traffic… well, THAT’s another story. lol (just kidding!!! I don’t get road rage).

  • barsyn2

    Kathy,

    You are right. I know… but I just FEEL conflicted.

    I’ve figured out what the root of my problem is. I have always thought of prison as a place for people who disregard the law as if it didn’t apply to them. In other words, it wasn’t a lapse of good judgment due to uncontrollable circumstances, but flagrant disregard. Under these circumstances, prison seems ideal.

    When it comes to people who brake a law due to a temporary lapse of sound mind due to excessive distress or depression (like post traumatic stress disorder, for example), I’m much more sympathetic. I’ve never thought of prison as the ideal place for them. I think of a mental facility and rehabilitation. I guess this isn’t possible for every law-breaker in society. If that’s the case, then I need to adjust my understanding of the purpose of prison.

    Depressed or not, what Emily did is criminal. Nobody would argue against that. Drunk driving is criminal – but you hear about it all the time. There’s less excuse for executing that poor judgment because the public is educated on the matter. Trying to kill your kid secretly to end the source of your stress is not something you hear about every day. That kind of lapse of good judgment makes more sense to me, even though it’s criminal. I don’t know if that was what she was doing. Hurting your kid for attention isn’t preached against by the Ad Counsel day in and day out either. (I’m not making excuses, let it be said. Nothing, NOTHING makes her behavior acceptable.) If that’s what she did, can she be rehabilitated? I bet you can only find a dozen people who are willing to risk it – and it would be a risk. Everybody else will want her locked up.

    I think it’s tricky business trying to figure out who should be rehabilitated and given a second chance, and who should be punished and locked up. I’d LIKE to think that her actions are punishment enough now that she’s been exposed… but our society doesn’t work like that. I just have to change my understanding of what and who prison is for.

  • barsyn2

    Kathy,

    You are right. I know… but I just FEEL conflicted.

    I’ve figured out what the root of my problem is. I have always thought of prison as a place for people who disregard the law as if it didn’t apply to them. In other words, it wasn’t a lapse of good judgment due to uncontrollable circumstances, but flagrant disregard. Under these circumstances, prison seems ideal.

    When it comes to people who brake a law due to a temporary lapse of sound mind due to excessive distress or depression (like post traumatic stress disorder, for example), I’m much more sympathetic. I’ve never thought of prison as the ideal place for them. I think of a mental facility and rehabilitation. I guess this isn’t possible for every law-breaker in society. If that’s the case, then I need to adjust my understanding of the purpose of prison.

    Depressed or not, what Emily did is criminal. Nobody would argue against that. Drunk driving is criminal – but you hear about it all the time. There’s less excuse for executing that poor judgment because the public is educated on the matter. Trying to kill your kid secretly to end the source of your stress is not something you hear about every day. That kind of lapse of good judgment makes more sense to me, even though it’s criminal. I don’t know if that was what she was doing. Hurting your kid for attention isn’t preached against by the Ad Counsel day in and day out either. (I’m not making excuses, let it be said. Nothing, NOTHING makes her behavior acceptable.) If that’s what she did, can she be rehabilitated? I bet you can only find a dozen people who are willing to risk it – and it would be a risk. Everybody else will want her locked up.

    I think it’s tricky business trying to figure out who should be rehabilitated and given a second chance, and who should be punished and locked up. I’d LIKE to think that her actions are punishment enough now that she’s been exposed… but our society doesn’t work like that. I just have to change my understanding of what and who prison is for.

  • sfdude_2008

    @Kathy:

    “sfdude… it was a joke. And, yes… I do believe that if I was featured on here for some horrendous offense instead of a frequent and sometimes annoying poster), that you and many others would have choice words for me. And, I would EXPECT you to be horrified if I did something as awful as choosing to drive while intoxicated causing the death of my own or anyone else’s children. :-)”

    I believe you.

  • sfdude_2008

    @Kathy:

    “sfdude… it was a joke. And, yes… I do believe that if I was featured on here for some horrendous offense instead of a frequent and sometimes annoying poster), that you and many others would have choice words for me. And, I would EXPECT you to be horrified if I did something as awful as choosing to drive while intoxicated causing the death of my own or anyone else’s children. :-)”

    I believe you.

  • http://www.jenn.nu kissmykitty

    I feel absolutely no sympathy, pity or confusion over what this woman did. Special needs children and children with physical disabilities and problems are a huge burden to shoulder, because so much time and energy is required in order to provide adequate care for them.

    However, to DELIBERATELY and REPEATEDLY do things to worsen conditions, cause new ones or perhaps even kill such a child, or ANY child for that matter, is not something I can condone, excuse or justify. I don’t care if she “cracked”. What she did was horrible, and the fact that she did it repeatedly and discreetly shows she damn well knew right from wrong.

    Personally, I’m all for trying her on attempted murder. Electrocute the bitch. Or at least put her in jail and let the general population take care of her.

  • http://www.jenn.nu Jenn

    I feel absolutely no sympathy, pity or confusion over what this woman did. Special needs children and children with physical disabilities and problems are a huge burden to shoulder, because so much time and energy is required in order to provide adequate care for them.

    However, to DELIBERATELY and REPEATEDLY do things to worsen conditions, cause new ones or perhaps even kill such a child, or ANY child for that matter, is not something I can condone, excuse or justify. I don’t care if she “cracked”. What she did was horrible, and the fact that she did it repeatedly and discreetly shows she damn well knew right from wrong.

    Personally, I’m all for trying her on attempted murder. Electrocute the bitch. Or at least put her in jail and let the general population take care of her.

  • pak31

    She did what she did, illness or not. She knew it was wrong. End of story. The Myspace entries are pathetic. Boo Hoo is my response to her. It’s called Being a mother and a wife, what was she expecting her life to be like? A vacation? No one noticed that this woman was a little off? Maybe instead of spending time on MySpace she could have found a hobby.

  • pak31

    She did what she did, illness or not. She knew it was wrong. End of story. The Myspace entries are pathetic. Boo Hoo is my response to her. It’s called Being a mother and a wife, what was she expecting her life to be like? A vacation? No one noticed that this woman was a little off? Maybe instead of spending time on MySpace she could have found a hobby.

  • Kathy Thomas

    Yep, once again proving there is NO accountability in the majority of city, county, State, and particularly Federal employeeship.
    Overburdend Social Worker’s = children in need of help get more abuse heaped upon them, thereby causing more troubled future citizens who could turn around and do the same to their children. WHEN WILL WE GET IT AS A SOCIETY? WHAT’S IT GOING TO TAKE? it is blogs like this that should prompt us to take notice, act one suspicions, and try to end this atrocious cycle.

  • http://PBB Kathy Thomas

    Yep, once again proving there is NO accountability in the majority of city, county, State, and particularly Federal employeeship.
    Overburdend Social Worker’s = children in need of help get more abuse heaped upon them, thereby causing more troubled future citizens who could turn around and do the same to their children. WHEN WILL WE GET IT AS A SOCIETY? WHAT’S IT GOING TO TAKE? it is blogs like this that should prompt us to take notice, act one suspicions, and try to end this atrocious cycle.

  • Kathy Thomas

    Yep, once again proving there is NO accountability in the majority of city, county, State, and particularly Federal employeeship.
    Overburdend Social Worker’s = children in need of help get more abuse heaped upon them, thereby causing more troubled future citizens who could turn around and do the same to their children. WHEN WILL WE GET IT AS A SOCIETY? WHAT’S IT GOING TO TAKE? it is blogs like this that should prompt us to take notice, act on suspicions, and try to end this atrocious cycle.

  • http://PBB Kathy Thomas

    Yep, once again proving there is NO accountability in the majority of city, county, State, and particularly Federal employeeship.
    Overburdend Social Worker’s = children in need of help get more abuse heaped upon them, thereby causing more troubled future citizens who could turn around and do the same to their children. WHEN WILL WE GET IT AS A SOCIETY? WHAT’S IT GOING TO TAKE? it is blogs like this that should prompt us to take notice, act on suspicions, and try to end this atrocious cycle.

  • Kathy Thomas

    Munchausen by Proxy, absolutely.

  • http://PBB Kathy Thomas

    Munchausen by Proxy, absolutely.

  • Anon

    Mare, you say that depression only involves the self, but that is quite incorrect. Not only do males often express depression as anger at others, but think about the following chain of logic that might come from someone with severe depression: “I am miserable” becomes “My life is miserable” becomes “My life is not worth living because it is miserable” becomes “Nobody should have to suffer through the misery of life” becomes “I should end my loved ones’ lives so that they don’t have to suffer” becomes familicide and suicide. And, as seen through the mind-crushing haze of suicidal depression, that line of logic may be intensely appealing. I’m not advocating the use of it, mind you, but it is most certainly there.

  • Anon

    Mare, you say that depression only involves the self, but that is quite incorrect. Not only do males often express depression as anger at others, but think about the following chain of logic that might come from someone with severe depression: “I am miserable” becomes “My life is miserable” becomes “My life is not worth living because it is miserable” becomes “Nobody should have to suffer through the misery of life” becomes “I should end my loved ones’ lives so that they don’t have to suffer” becomes familicide and suicide. And, as seen through the mind-crushing haze of suicidal depression, that line of logic may be intensely appealing. I’m not advocating the use of it, mind you, but it is most certainly there.

  • Angel

    Anon:
    Logic of that nature is mostly reserved for psychopaths and sociopaths who are so egotistic that they believe the lives of others and the resultant happiness of those lives, depends entirely on the happiness or relative lack thereof in their own life. It’s like saying, “If I’m not happy, then nobody else possibly can be.” That is a bullshit line of reasoning – just another one of the ways our society has devised to excuse the evil behavior and poor life choices of those who think that the law doesn’t apply to them.

    I suffer from depression; and, yes, I have had times in my life when I thought that the world might be better off without me. But never once, even for an instant, did I think that taking my kids with me into death might be a good idea – or even an option. On the contrary, I knew that taking my own life, although it might seem to be an answer to my problems at the time, would be the most hateful thing I could do to my children. They would have to grow up wondering why mommy didn’t love them enough to stick around – why they weren’t good enough to deserve mommy’s love. In that way, you might say my children have saved my life repeatedly over the years. I would never commit such a selfish act against my children, nor am I proud or vain enough to believe that my unhappiness would necessarily extend to my children and cause me to try and kill them. Your reasoning ability in the above comment is simply another way to excuse the deviant behaviors of sociopaths – and a very poor attempt at that….

  • Angel

    Anon:
    Logic of that nature is mostly reserved for psychopaths and sociopaths who are so egotistic that they believe the lives of others and the resultant happiness of those lives, depends entirely on the happiness or relative lack thereof in their own life. It’s like saying, “If I’m not happy, then nobody else possibly can be.” That is a bullshit line of reasoning – just another one of the ways our society has devised to excuse the evil behavior and poor life choices of those who think that the law doesn’t apply to them.

    I suffer from depression; and, yes, I have had times in my life when I thought that the world might be better off without me. But never once, even for an instant, did I think that taking my kids with me into death might be a good idea – or even an option. On the contrary, I knew that taking my own life, although it might seem to be an answer to my problems at the time, would be the most hateful thing I could do to my children. They would have to grow up wondering why mommy didn’t love them enough to stick around – why they weren’t good enough to deserve mommy’s love. In that way, you might say my children have saved my life repeatedly over the years. I would never commit such a selfish act against my children, nor am I proud or vain enough to believe that my unhappiness would necessarily extend to my children and cause me to try and kill them. Your reasoning ability in the above comment is simply another way to excuse the deviant behaviors of sociopaths – and a very poor attempt at that….

  • Anon

    I’m not trying to excuse the use of the logic. I’m merely claiming that people experience depression differently. I realize the reasoning is flawed, but I also realize that people in the throes of an all-consuming despair aren’t necessarily the most rational, clear-headed ones around.

    The nature of suicide is that it goes against every instinct, every fiber of what nature has programmed into us. Arguments in its favor are necessarily either borne of a fervor that conquers all reason or, alternatively, on some level rise above our instincts rather than oppose them, and use abstractions that are thoroughly separate from our baser emotions. Either way, this removal from or direct opposition to our natures assumes some level of irrationality, sometimes of a sort that defies all comprehension, even to those who go through similar ordeals.

    It may be worth noting that postpartum depression has a documented history of leading mothers to end their children’s lives, or perhaps, in the womens’ minds, protect their children from the unspeakable cruelty of the world.

  • Anon

    I’m not trying to excuse the use of the logic. I’m merely claiming that people experience depression differently. I realize the reasoning is flawed, but I also realize that people in the throes of an all-consuming despair aren’t necessarily the most rational, clear-headed ones around.

    The nature of suicide is that it goes against every instinct, every fiber of what nature has programmed into us. Arguments in its favor are necessarily either borne of a fervor that conquers all reason or, alternatively, on some level rise above our instincts rather than oppose them, and use abstractions that are thoroughly separate from our baser emotions. Either way, this removal from or direct opposition to our natures assumes some level of irrationality, sometimes of a sort that defies all comprehension, even to those who go through similar ordeals.

    It may be worth noting that postpartum depression has a documented history of leading mothers to end their children’s lives, or perhaps, in the womens’ minds, protect their children from the unspeakable cruelty of the world.

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  • Vicki

    well first of all is the baby okay and second of all i can not belive that a mother would do something like that to her own child i hope she that she gets the punishment that she deserves just because sometimes our children have struggles through out life does not mean that we need to give up on them!!! Please lt me know more information

  • http://[email protected] Vicki

    well first of all is the baby okay and second of all i can not belive that a mother would do something like that to her own child i hope she that she gets the punishment that she deserves just because sometimes our children have struggles through out life does not mean that we need to give up on them!!! Please lt me know more information

  • Vicki

    well first of all is the baby okay and second of all i can not belive that a mother would do something like that to her own child i hope she that she gets the punishment that she deserves just because sometimes our children have struggles through out life does not mean that we need to give up on them!!! Please let me know more information

  • http://[email protected] Vicki

    well first of all is the baby okay and second of all i can not belive that a mother would do something like that to her own child i hope she that she gets the punishment that she deserves just because sometimes our children have struggles through out life does not mean that we need to give up on them!!! Please let me know more information

  • mystic_eye_cda

    I wonder that too, but to be fair having a premature baby does make it more likely you will have another.

    Some causes are far more likely than others. Without knowing whether she was induced or went into labour on her own and why its hard to say.

    I would say its pretty hard to initiate labour at 25 weeks even using drugs; physical force would leave marks.

  • mystic_eye_cda

    I wonder that too, but to be fair having a premature baby does make it more likely you will have another.

    Some causes are far more likely than others. Without knowing whether she was induced or went into labour on her own and why its hard to say.

    I would say its pretty hard to initiate labour at 25 weeks even using drugs; physical force would leave marks.

  • Amy

    Emily was in my bible study group and the minute my family started having our own drama and took away from her attention, suddenly the tables were turned and she destroyed me (I had asked for prayers for my husband slapping my then 3 year old and the next thing we knew, we were being investigated by child protected services where she admitted to me at chic fillet that she was the one who called cps… and said she would do it again.. the group was destroyed by her, we never met again because trust was destroyed, 3 or 4 months later..she’s been arrested for trying to kill her own daughter.. my heart is broken for her kids… her? I’m glad she is in jail

  • http://trenchreynolds.com/ April

    Thank you for posting.

  • Anna

    I went to school with this girl. I feel terrible for thinking that I knew she was screwed up, and that it would end badly for her kids. I had no idea it was going to be something like this, but I also wasn’t surprised. Deeply saddened, but not surprised. Munchausen’s by Proxy may be a legitimate condition, but ultimately, it’s a factitious disorder most common in people with Borderline Personality Disorder, which really isn’t very treatable. It’s a name given to a list of symptoms. Someone with Munchausen’s by Proxy is exactly a crazy, self-obsessed, attention-seeking nutcase with a better term attached to it. I can sympathize with someone who makes him or herself sick for attention. But someone who puts their child through that much anguish intentionally and repeatedly just to get attention for herself? That’s horrible, and inexcusable. Her concern for her daughter’s suffering was vastly outweighed by her desire for attention.

  • Anna Katherine

    She was a junior at my high school when she first got pregnant.

  • http://trenchreynolds.com/ April

    Thanks for posting!

  • Munchymoo

    http://weareaustin.com/search-fulltext?nxd_id=134656

    She’s going to the big house for 20 years. Good riddance, loser. Thank goodness your daughter survived and won’t have to deal with you.

  • DMaria Faraj

    Lol if calling CPS ruined your life, you deserved it. A grown man slaps a three yr old you should’ve called the police yourself. Fuck prayers.

  • sweetd

    I think it’s the mood disorder. I may be spelling it wrong “histrionic”. They call it the drama queen disorder.