1/16/05 From The Mail Sack

We got a lot of lengthy mail this week so if you have to pee go now. I’ll wait. Are you back? Good. Ok, on with the mail. And surprise surprise they’re all from my entry on the Eric Harris Journal. I know it’s long but please be patient and read it all. Especially if you have kids.

First comment…

I don’t think Eric and Dylan did the right thing necessarily but I think they did what they felt they had to. Whenever you’re being harassed all the time by people at some point you are going to lash out. I think they could have found a better solution but I think they also showed kids who were being harassed one solution to the serious problem of being bullied.

And for all you psychopaths (like mac and trench) who go ON and ON and ON about eric and dylan being “scum bags”, “pieces of trash,” and “burning in hell” you are just as hateful as the people you claim to hate. Just listen to yourselves talk about 2 kids and if this world were a perfect one you guys would be in jail or a mental institution because you’re crazy.

People need to learn empathy. You guys need to try to see it from Eric and Dylan’s point of view. Maybe they were driven to the point of insanity by all the bullying and being kids didn’t know a better way of solving the problem. Whatever you do, don’t act like an idiot and start ranting about the kids being sick and so and so.

People don’t just do those things for no reason, there’s always a reason. The reason why we’re (the USA) trillions of dollars in debt and supporting a president who’s ruining the country and at the same time angering the rest of the world while completely failing to control Iraq is the same reason why people like Eric and Dylan do what they do. For years we bullied the Middle East and stole oil and other things and Sept 11 was the result.

You people just don’t understand that you have to respect other people and you have to show love/empathy for other people and try to prevent other Columbines by protecting kids from bullies and trying to set up a culture of respect on schools. Schools that don’t tolerate violence or hatred are much less likely to have Columbines then schools where people like Mac have a survival of the fittest fuck kids who get bullied attitude.

And if you guys don’t learn to put aside your hate and look at the real reason why Eric and Dylan did what they did, then I guarantee you you’ll never accomplish anything and in a few years we’ll hear about David and Julian or Eric and Randy or someone killing 200 kids with a pipe bomb or some kid blowing himself up in a crowded mall or something.

And for anyone here who wants to rant about Eric and Dylan going to hell or anything else you sound like demons and will find yourself going to the same hell. 🙂

Comment by Julian – Tuesday Jan 11, 2005 @ 9:37 am

I really need to get some macros so I can just press a button and have my usual responses typed out. First of all, I don’t think Harris and Klebold were bullied at all. In this day and age of instant information, I have yet to hear of one name of the people who allegedly harassed them. Personally, I think if it wasn’t the whole bullying myth surrounding them they would have found some other reason to shoot up their school. It’s been proven time and time again that these kids, especially Harris, were mentally defective. Even if they were bullied, say it with me folks, it’s still no excuse to kill people. How many times do we have to go through this? If you think that killing in response to bullying is an acceptable resolution then you need some serious psychiatric help. And for me calling them scumbags well the fact remains they killed 13 unarmed innocent people and I didn’t. So by my estimations, they are scumbags who are burning in hell. Empathy? I’ve been on their side if in fact they were harassed. So have millions of other people. Again the difference is we didn’t kill anyone over it. What is wrong with you kids who think that killing is cool. Trust me. You’re not being cool, or a rebel. It’s got nothing to do with being goth, punk, or whatever. It means you’re fucking stupid. It means you need mental help. And how the fuck do you draw a comparison to Iraq and Columbine? That’s apples and oranges. But then again leftists blame everything on the President. Why didn’t the Clinton administration do something to prevent a situation like Columbine. They were the ones in charge at the time. And yes I agree that the schools need to do something about bullying but people need to take responsibility for their own actions. The only reason that 13 people are dead from Columbine is that those scumbags Harris and Klebold killed them. No other reason. Maybe if Harris and Klebold had put aside their hate than we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

And the opposite side of the coin…

what up? sorry if i affended the people who feel bad for eric and dylan. i just don’t really understand why someone would want to kill people. and in a way, i do agree w/ u, alex. its their fault that they tried so hard to be outcasts. i mean just try to be normal and then u won’t really have to worry about evryone hating u. and julian, why do u think that eric and dylan were protecting columbine (they shot people who DID NOT deserve to die). where’s your empathy? Peace. 😦

Comment by xxmatrixevolvexx – Tuesday Jan 11, 2005 @ 11:24 am

First off never feel bad about offending the mutants. Secondly, do you want everyone to dress the same and act the same? Do you want them all to be the same color too? The same religion? I can think of some other groups that wanted everyone to act the same. The Klan Nazis, The Communist Bloc, Al-Queida. If you want everyone to fit your definition of normal then I feel sorry for you because it shows you have no sense of self-expression and no imagination.

Another one from the first commenter. A lot of it is repetition so if you want to check out the whole comment you can go here…

After all, school CAN be very bad sometimes. And in response to trench’s self-righteous tirade about being bullied in school and not taking it out on people I have several questions: How do you know that Eric/Dylan weren’t bullied far more horribily than you? Maybe you had someone restraining those bullies. People are different. Some respond to bullying by trying to fit in, many others through drug and crime and some by being bullies themselves. Others just bear it and take teh abuse until they can escape, and some commit suicide. Eric/Dylan simply chose the very direct route of violence ❗

And another thing remember that the United States has more crime than any of the other wealthy industrialized nations. When you look at all the serial rapists, killers, child murderers, gangbangers, drug dealers, robbers, weak legal system and generally rude atmosphere that make this country a difficult place to live in do you guys even think for one second that Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold could just be one small part of a much larger problem ❓

Comment by Julian – Tuesday Jan 11, 2005 @ 2:54 pm

It doesn’t matter if Harris and Klebold were bullied worse than I was. And yeah, I really had someone restraining those bullies. Sorry Sunshine but I had no help. It was me against them as it is in most of those situations. And again show me the proof that Harris and Klebold were bullied. I just don’t buy it. Violence wasn’t a direct route. It was a very cowardly one. And your Michael Moore blames the U.S. attitude is exactly what’s wrong with our country. Rather than placing the blame on the person responsible, you place it on everything else. Harris was a psychopath and Klebold was his lackey. They are the ones who pulled the trigger. Society isn’t to blame. They are.

And lastly…

I know this reply is very very late, but i would not say that the people that died got what tehy deserved, but i do think that you know Eric and Dylan did get picked on a lot and i know from experience that it is not fun, not only do you wnat to kill others you want to kill yourself, when you get that low you feel like there is no way out, i swallowed all my anger and now i am in therapy for self-mutilation, and i have attacked people at school, i choked two girls and threw one accross the cafeteria, and there is another kid at my school, who threw three kids across a teachers room and chocked one, and then there is another kid at my school who gets picked ona lot and he tried to seriously hurt a class mate by flipping over a table he was standing on (it is a long story as to why he was standing on the table), but i think that everyone needs to notice the fact that they killed themselves after killing others, no one pays attention to that lose, everyone thinks that because they killed people they are evil, well fuck that idea. evil is made not born, after years of emotional, physical and mental abuse form not your parents but your peers, the ones who are supposed to except you for who you are, you get to a point where you don’t need it, you know i mean no one ever thinks about the fact that maybe Eric and Dylan were trying to stop the treatment that they got from happening to anyone else. think about it from their point of view before you judge, i mean we are killing people in Iraq does that make us horrible people because we are killing people to protect ourselves and others from getting the treatment we got. Think about that and then when you can justify why we are in Iraq, and think you know why those boys should not have ended the lives of other as well as THEIR OWN!!! you can ge bakc to me my email is wanabebaby@hotmail.com, oh and this is comming form a 17 year old girl, who also had a cousin who went to Colubine during the shooting, but she was safe, so don’t sit there and tell me i have no idea how the family of teh teens who were there feels.

Comment by Katie – Thursday Jan 13, 2005 @ 7:33 pm

Let’s take that in for a moment. She feels that the people who were killed at Columbine got what they deserved. She feels that 13 people that little or no connection to those scumbags Harris and Klebold got what they deserved. So what if Harris and Klebold killed themselves. You don’t think they wouldn’t be sitting on death row if they were caught. Death was inevitable for them and now they’re facing an even greater punishment. I was at their point of you and again I didn’t kill anybody. And again bringing Iraq into this. Are you people coming from the same message board or something. The two have nothing to do with each other. If in fact, you did have a cousin at Columbine would you feel the same way if she was among the dead? If you would then I feel sorry for you.

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  1. I was labeled a geek in grade school. I was bullied, picked on and called names and yes I was picked on heavily. Did I go out and kill people…no! Why because my parents were doing their job. My dad always said don’t worry you will have the last laugh. You know what he was right. He was always asking when I came home from school and obviously had a bad day “How was your day?” Why because he IS a parent and knew he needed to do something and not just ignore it.So people don’t make excuses for BAD judgment by kids. Above all don’t make excuses for BAD parenting.Oh and before someone says I was not bullied much try being into computers in the early 80’s before it was cool then factor in that I was 12. Want to talk about being bullied!Oh, dad if you are reading this thanks a bunch for all you did for me!

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  2. OK, i am so sick of hearing about this… and why would you put your email address in there, you are just setting yourself up for all kinds of torture… thats dumb, anyways, who cares WHAT made eric/dylan do what they did BUT they got what they wanted, for us to talk about them forever…. and everyone is playing right into their dead hands….

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  3. First of all Trench most of the students who knew the Columbine murderers say they were bullied extensively for 4 years prior to the attack. Your own website reported that fact. Of course, not everyone retaliates against bullies so harshly.. but it does seem to happen a lot lately. As in the case of other teenage murders ( Half and Suzanne Zantop) where were the parents? Why is it that parents take the hit for almost all crimes their kids commit except very serious ones.. then the parents are hardly mentioned. As far the other comment about ” who cares why they did it”.. I think we should all care.. and try to learn what can cause such violence. These current acts of violence by juveniles occuring around the country were unhead of 20 years ago.

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  4. I’m not sure about how to come into this conversation so I’m just going to say screw it and dive in there. I remember watching the event on the news at age 19 April, 20th 1999, I just thought to myself, “how could anyone do such a thing?” it wasn’t until last week that I started to look into the columbine shootings. I started my adventure at YouTube, and then my curiosity really began to wonder after seeing a picture of the two shooters lying in their own blood on the floor. I thought if I can find this on YouTube then what else can I find that will tell me more, like why, personalities, lifestyle, etc. I wanted to get in the heads of Dylan and Eric, I wanted to understand them. I began reading their diaries, wow, two different personalities that were displayed on paper. Visually Dylan came off as a very sad person, nothing seemed to be ok, everyone and thing was against him. He felt he looked awkward, mentioning he was always thinking (over analyzing I’m sure.) being insecure with your appearance and not being accepted by your peers (taunted), I’m sure one can twist their thoughts and over think every situation and being depressed doesn’t help. Eric on the other hand was a much stronger personality. There were strong point of views about society mentioned he thought society was corrupt (robots) while he thought with a clear head. And so on and so on, I’m not going to go into it all. But what gets me is that I read recently that Eric was a sociopath. I would have to disagree with this, I felt he displayed remorse but was just pushed too far. For every action there is a reaction, right? I think the boys wanted to hurt others like they had been hurt, no matter who it was. Am I wrong? Can someone please shed some light on this for me I can’t help to think to myself that this could have been prevented some way and somehow. If these two boys didn’t live in a bible preaching town, would the outcome still have accrued? I think Dylan would have killed himself no matter what…

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