Fourth Teen Charged in Winslow Township Plot

We have more news in the alleged plot against Winslow Township High School in South Jersey. A fourth teen has been arrested, this time from Hammonton High, in Hammonton, NJ, just down the White Horse Pike from Winslow Township.

Also one of the public defenders tried to get the 14-year-old suspect released into the custody of his parents…

Public defenders for the teens argued that they should have been able to go home with their parents. “My client is rather frail and vulnerable,” public defender Ruth Ann Mandell, who was representing a 14-year-old, told the judge. “No one was hurt in this case.”

The “frail and vulnerable” defense. That’s the first time I’ve heard that one. You know the old saying. “Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time”.

One of the fathers had this to say…

The father of one of the 15-year-old boys said after the hearing Thursday that the charges were a mistake. “I think it’s just kids hanging out together and having a little wild time, that’s all,” he said.

So attempting to purchase illegal handguns and plotting to kill 25 people is “a little wild time”? I’d hate to see what he considered a ruckus.

It’s possible the four could be charged as adults under New Jersey’s terrorism law which carries a mandatory 30-year sentence.

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  1. you dont know about it shut up. Thats my school your talking about and now since being “goth” is what gets you in trouble everything is screwed up.
    yea this same person on here march 12.

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  2. i think this whole situation. I do agree with you on the part about being “goth” now apparently against the law. I am being followed because of what you said about me on march 12. Thanks alot.

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  3. First off who is following you?

    And secondly, you can’t blame me for repeating something that you posted on your public MySpace.

    And lastly if you know more about the situation than the media is talking about I’d like to know.

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  4. This whole situtation started was because these so called goth kids go to a all black school who are made fun of constantly.
    The one kid convicted from my school is a idoit because it has caused more problems and people are fearing kids are going to shoot up our school now.
    I am being followed by my principle(because of your site) but i pretty much solved the problem. Everyone knows about my interest about criminal psychology but you made me look like a so called “mutant who wants to shoot up their school.”
    And your not on my list so how do you know i posted it? By the way stop looking at my site its alittle annoying knowing a 37 year old is constantly looking at my profile

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  5. Like I said before, don’t flatter yourself. I looked at your profile once on 3/12 and that was it. I found it accidentally through a Google search when I was looking for something esle. I haven’t looked at it since.

    Criminal psychologists are supposed to be neutral. They’re not supposed to sympathize with mass murderers.

    Did your principal actually say that they got the info from my site?

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  6. More importantly… If you are not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about.

    I gotta say it kinda cool if schools are finding potential shooters by following the psycho trolls that haunt you Trench.

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  7. im not worrying im sick and tired of people lying. I do not sympathsize with them i understand in there minds that at the time thats all they thought could solve the problem

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  8. That’s not even on topic anymore.
    Oh well, what I came here to say was that on 6 abc news i left a comment on this as well. (i am one of the boys ex-girlfriends) well, i did not appricate people saying i should be in front of the judge for knowing about this before. it is true that what he told me was crazy, but as you read in this article a girl states that they probably wern’t going to do it anyway. we went out for almost a year, i do know what went on, how he is and what kind of life he has. I do think it was odd when my ex-boyfriends father said he was a “good kid” yet locked him out of the house and has called dyfus. if i could try, i would be defending him from the 30 years with no proloe. i do not believe he has a criminal mind, from knowing him personally i would say this is more emotional problems and i did try to talk my mom into talking to his dad about getting him physcological help. my mom did mention it twice to his father…. it’s too bad he didn’t go for that. i told my boyfriend at the time, and he didn’t like that idea either. he was going to “change”…. i don’t think he is smart enough to actually be doing this and to try to get away with it. in the end (not that they would have went through with thir plan) but they probably would have killed themselfs. i think maybe i remember him telling me that. before, a year ago if we ever broke up he would kill himself, so it was hard to believe that he could really put himself in that situation now.

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  9. Um actually sympathizing in definition means that i love them and that they should have done it. I am saying that since they felt inside that they were shit they did it. Some people lose their minds thinking that everyone is against them like they did. I don’t think they should have killed 13 people but im saying i understand why they did it.

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  10. sym·pa·thize
    Pronunciation Key (smp-thz)
    intr.v. sym·pa·thized, sym·pa·thiz·ing, sym·pa·thiz·es

    1. To feel or express compassion, as for another’s suffering commiserate.
    2. To share or understand the feelings or ideas of another: sympathized with the goals of the committee.
    3. To be in accord correspond.

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  11. LMAO….uhhhhhhhhh……if you don’t people lookng at your shit here’s a hint…..DON’T POST IT IN A PLACE ACCESSIBLE BY ANYONE AND EVERYONE!!!!

    Stupid people….sheeeeeesh. And who says today’s youth is oblivious 🙄

    And congrats Trench…you now have the power to have people followed and their activities scrutinized. Please have someone follow Ted Kennedy around and bust him for being a big fat hypocritical blowhard. 😀

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  12. psssssssssst…and Sarah…for one that seems so proud of their (“there” as you spell it :roll:) high school….you might want to repeat remedial spelling and grammar in order to cast your school in a better light. Better yet, invest in a dictionary. I know picking on grammar and spelling is cheap but it is just REALLY REALLY hard to take anyone seriously that can’t make the basic distinction between the words and makes basic errors in spelling that my 2nd grade daughter doesn’t make. We are raising a generation of self-righteous, self-centered, oblivious idiots…just my opinion.

    And no…just because YOU say “shut up about it”, isn’t going to make anyone here shut up about it. It probably just eggs people like me on to give you more grief because that’s just the way I am 😉

    Sorry Trench. I know I’m way off track here…but you know me 😆

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  13. My school is shit. I really don’t care what you say. There is always people who are going to reasearch things such as columbine and some kids who are actually teased every day like those winslow kids who are going to snap and kill people. Just because they are interested in Columbine doesn’t mean people are killers.

    by the way Jim calling people fat is a main reason why things like school shootings happen. I think if you say something to someone they can take it as they are shit and do stuff that you cry over as being wrong. Get over yourself your not better than anyone making fun of people. Im suprised there hasn’t been more shootings due to narrowminded jerks like you.

    ZappaCrappa-How about doing something other than making fun of children and help them stop being depressed and shooting up their schools.

    Pathology is the learning of why people do the things they do psychologically. If its sympathizing to say I understand why they did it I am definately
    sympathizing with them.

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  14. I called you fat ?

    I don’t recall that

    ehh, maybe you are… I don’t care.

    and no, school shootings do not occur because of pathetic name calling. I think you are a putz… you gonna kill someone now ?

    Answer : No

    why not ? because names don’t cause people to murder. the problem is that kids are much to free and parents have either lost their ability to raise their own kids… or never attempted to try.

    To assume that every school shooting is directly due to kids being picked on, is to assume that every cancer patient smoked a cigarette.

    The kids aren’t depressed, they aren’t upset, they do not hate the jocks and they are not affected by video games, music and movies. Kids have zero fear because they do not think they can be hurt. We were all that way once. we knew no fear because we had no experience… then our parents instilled fear in us by showing us consequences.
    What did those fuckos in columbine get when they did bad ? a fancy new Benz ?
    Their parents were so fucking useless that they couldn’t even apologise to the families their kids fucking killed.

    You want to make things better ? attack the parents who managed to only be a sperm donor and incubation unit. Tell parents that they need to beat the living fuck out of their kids once in a while… believe me, mine will be just this side of abused when they fuck up.
    You want to make things better ? Put a stop to this bullshit where all kids are equal… they are not. Put a stop to the feel good, everyone needs a hug, former hippy bullshit that has made our country a stock of pussies.
    You want to make things better ? Put a stop to the “my rights are more important than your rights” attitude our nation has adopted.
    You want to make things better ? get rid of that stupid fucking “No child left behind” crap, that puts up with the worst of kids and pushes them through school so they graduate even if they are dumb as fucking rocks.

    you know what ? I don’t think you know how to make things better, short of bitching and expecting everyone to hear you and give a flying fuck what you think. Your opinion matters to me as much as the next terrorist who catches a Marine bullet with his forehead.
    You know why ? because you have no fucking clue what you are talking about. You read a little about psychology and think you have a clue… but you lost the point right about the same time you decided that 1 thing could solve all the problems of the world.

    get your head out of your ass before you run off your mouth. and maybe.. just maybe, I’ll listen to you without telling you how much I think your an idiot.

    This message was brought to you by TOAST
    (The Organization Against Stupid Trolls)

    “We take care of the trolls so that Trench can deliver the news”

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  15. Not my job to “stop children from being depressed”. How about all you “depressed children” get a job and stop moaning about how miserable you are and doing something about it yourselves 😉 GASP….I know…the unfairness of asking you to actually contribute something to your own future is a horrible horrible thing to ask of you.

    Here’s a thought…instead of sitting around on your fat, lazy asses all day moainging and whining about what’s wrong with the world and society and how bad your life sucks, get a job and do something productive. I know that’s an alien concept to lot’s of you youngsters out there but it really works.

    But I know I’m pretty much farting into the wind as you go back into your dark room and fire up your computer and start posting on your MySpace account about how everyone hates you and the whole world’s against you 🙄

    Again….NOT….MY….JOB

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  16. WOW, that was way nicer than what I said 😆

    Im keeping my kids in private schools where the kids are semi normal and have parents who give a shit enough to keep the kids in line.

    Should keep mome from getting shot by some rogue ass clown who “couldnt take the fat jokes” 🙄

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  17. I have no idea how I came across this website, but it’s great. I don’t even know where to begin, except to say “Jim, you’re my hero!”

    I’m a teacher from Texas, and I have to say I agree with everything. Everything you said, Jim, is exactly what I’d like to say to all the parents on Open House night.

    Poor Sarah, (NOT)what a rude awakening she’s in for when she gets into the real world, where her bosses won’t care what her parents want.

    I don’t have much to say, except “Roll on brothers, you are keeping me entertained!”

    And yes, Jim, how annoying is it when someone can’t spell their, there or they’re right? I’m an English teacher, so that made my skin crawl.

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  18. No you complain about school shootings if you don’t want people shooting up there schools how about you do something other than sit here and complain.

    Jim-If you think saying people are fat is a joke then I think you deserved to get your ass kicked. When I see people making fun of the obsessed i seriously feel like hitting them myself.

    I do agree that parents dont care letting their kids run around having sex and drinking. Alot of teen pregnancy’s have occured but still no one does anything about it. I am happy that I have enough self control to stay away from all of that.

    I never said everyone hates me and stop looking at my my space for excuses to say shit about me. What are you 30 grow the hell up.
    You act like your a teenager ranting about kids killing. Your a adult and it’s your responsibility to teach kids that doing things like threatening to kill people are wrong. If you don’t want to accept that shut the fuck up.
    You guys can sit on here and say shit about me I do not fucking care because I actually have a life and I have no time to sit here and argue with a bunch of narrow minded idiots.

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  19. No you complain about school shootings if you don’t want people shooting up there schools how about you do something other than sit here and complain.

    I will… when I have kids, I will do my part my keeping the little shits in line. My philosophy … its never to late for an abortion.

    Jim-If you think saying people are fat is a joke then I think you deserved to get your ass kicked. When I see people making fun of the obsessed i seriously feel like hitting them myself.

    That’s probably because you are fat

    I do agree that parents don’t care letting their kids run around having sex and drinking. A lot of teen pregnancy’s have occurred but still no one does anything about it. I am happy that I have enough self control to stay away from all of that.

    Well, at least one intelligent thing had to come from your dumb fat face

    I never said everyone hates me and stop looking at my my space for excuses to say shit about me.
    Never been there kiddo, I couldn’t care who rapes you when you are dumb enough to follow the candy trail
    What are you 30 grow the hell up.

    Are you even trying to make sense now ?

    BTW, I’M 31 and have a myspace page… want go out sometime 🙄

    You act like your a teenager ranting about kids killing. Your a adult and it’s your responsibility to teach kids that doing things like threatening to kill people are wrong. If you don’t want to accept that shut the fuck up.
    NO asshole… it is not my job to raise other people’s kids… it’s my job to raise my own and keep them both safe and out of trouble. You are not my responsibility… that would be the job of the fat walking uterus you got spit from.
    I’m for abortion to the 72nd trimester.

    You guys can sit on here and say shit about me I do not fucking care

    Yes you do

    because I actually have a life

    no you don’t

    and I have no time to sit here and argue with a bunch of narrow minded idiots.

    What and leave all your friends at myspace ? I don’t blame you. Why leave that drivel and learn a thing or two from people who understand life and have been trough all that crap that you think makes high schools worth shooting up.
    Matters not, because I predict your future as being a crack whore (maybe crystal) by your 21st birthday…. if not a well paid stripper who gives blow jobs in the back room… the meth with help you with the weight loss… fatty 😆

    I am so not nice at all 😆

    PRS was my fan for about 10 minutes 😆

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  20. Actually I don’t care.
    I think its funny how much of a adolescent you are saying I’m fat pathetic get new lines.

    As for you saying im going to be a crack whore way to be a adult.
    Grow the fuck up.
    I’ll probably emit to more in my life than you so I’m not worried sit here and rant.

    Please share as to why you think you have been through more. My life isn’t the stupid ass drama from school but the real hardships many would be lucky not to hear.

    To trench- your site has finally showed the dark purpose. I thought at first maybe it would help kids but this Jim guy is the reason kids are on here.

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  21. No you didn’t you god damn liar, You came here to sell your pathetic “I can understand” shtick and got offended when you were labeled a sympathizer.

    …and if your hardships are/were worse than mine than the so called “life” you claim to have is spent in a wheelchair.

    If telling off the trolls is a dark purpose, then label me Satan. I have no Patience for people like you who know all the problems and expect everyone else to solve them for you.

    Go to hell and take your wheelchair with you.

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  22. DAMMIT!!!

    Late again. And just when I was feeling a bit nasty too. Oh well…there is enough ingnorant people in the world to insure I will at some point be able to tell them all about it in an un-civil way.

    I must now get back to contributing to society in a positive way. Shame though – I’d like nothing more than to sit around and be depressed all day and blame the bullies of the world for all the bad things that happen.

    To hell with freeing these little pricks – aren’t we still working on Tibet?:twisted:

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  23. hmmm hmmm (that would be me clearing my throat)

    Take note of post # 26

    The man has spoken
    :mrgreen:

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  24. Yes, civil means not using the word fuck. Now if you want to have a civil conversation about this I’ll give you one more chance.

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  25. Oh Jim,

    I’m still your fan. Sorry I haven’t postd since the first one…been in the hospital. Just look what I’ve missed. I’m not in favor of abortions, however, a license to prcreate is an excellent idea. Let’s just say, if you can’t read, you certainly shouldn’t be having babies.

    BTW, after I was so amused by this site last weekend, I went to the myspace that Sara boasts about…that is scary..no, no, terrifying indeed. The fact that anyone would worship the 2 wastes of human flesh from Columbine is beyond all things reasonable. Putting those 2 asses on a pedastal is more than I can stomach! But being in a public school, I can see where it comes from. What a wonderful world we have to look forward to…when all the Saras are grown up and whining about what more we should give them.

    Out!

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  26. Um I don’t care if your in a wheelchair. If you think your going to get sympathy for that I don’t think so. People are to be treated equal with whatever disabilities they have. Id be lucky if that was the worst of my problems.
    The fact you talk about me having babies is interesting. After my baby brother died I can’t look at them.
    I am totally against abortions. To many baby’s are dead, we shouldn’t kill more. If a girl is stupid enough to have sex and get pregnant when they are not married, she should take care of it not get it killed to go out and do it again.

    I have a question when did I state that I worship Eric and Dylan. Now your just slandering my name. You must be illiterate to not see what I have said to Trench. I am not restating it so how about you go back and read.

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  27. No sweetie, I am not in a wheelchair. What i was trying to say was, the only way you could have it worse than me is to be in one. I have enough physical ailments to deem me handicapped without actually being so.
    I did not say as such to receive sympathy and as you can tell, I don’t offer it to a great many people either.

    being still a school age person, as you are, I do not pretend that you will comprehend what i am telling you… but I hope that maybe you will listen. Sometime in a decade or so, my name will strike a cord in your mind and whether or not you listened will not change the fact that I was right.

    Life is hard, it will never get easier. You may believe that when school is done and the adults are not on your ass anymore about whatever, things will get easier. Well they don’t. When you manage one person off your ass, another hops on and they usually wind up worse than that last one. The older you get the more you realize how right those people you hated were. You wish you listened, you wish you at least considered what they had to say.

    But it never happens. You (your generation as a whole) believe you know whats best and you fight the people who actually do. That’s not a stab at you… we did it too

    But when you have a bad thing (no matter what it is) and taking an action such as murder… it does not make the situation better. If you think it does, go back to your school. Look around and tell me if you feel more… or less hawked over by the adults around you.
    This is because of people like Eric and Dylan, they took an action that did not represent freedom, but took yours away.

    How does that feel ? I know it would suck if I was in your place that’s for hell sure. I’m glad I am long since done with school. the people you claim to “understand in there minds that at the time that’s all they thought could solve the problem” have made you a prisoner in your own school. Does that feel like problem solving to you ?

    I don’t recall accusing you of worshiping those two assholes, and reading back… cant seem to fine evidence of such an accusation. You were accused of being a sympathiser… and your words (both here and on your Myspace account) back that up. I have read what you said and quoted you… using your own words against you. But again… I doubt any of this will sink in. I am being nice for the sake that my friend asked me to do so. My opinion of you has not changed in the slightest as you have yet to give me reason to think of you as anything other than a common troll.

    As for the abortion thing, My true opinion is one of apathy. The 72nd trimester thing should have been quite obvious as a joke, since that brings the fetus to 18 years old.

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  28. It’s almost too hard to think about which unintelligent, illiterate thing to talk about first.

    But I’ll try…your ENTIRE website is devoted to Eric and Dylan?!?!? Why in the world would they or could they deserve the thoughts and/or time that you have to devote to them. How can a generation of our youth be so disillusioned as to think that they are “hero-worthy”? All I can say, is it is SAD. How scary that just b/c someone is different or sad or depressed -OR EVEN PICKED ON- that they thought that killing was the answer! It is a human’s own responsibility to make themselves feel worthy. If you aren’t loved by your friends…FIND NEW ONES.

    Get for real, Sara. Look at your website. In 25 years, are you going to be proud to tell your children that you supported and sympathized with students who chose to KILL other students and teachers? What would you think of your parents if they told you that they supported and loved Charles Manson? Would you be proud of them? As a mother of 2, I have to think before I act b/c I know that someday I will have to account for all that I do and say. IS THAT REALLY THE LEGACY YOU WANT TO PASS ON?????????

    Later.

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  29. Jim,
    I think she was referring to me saying that she “worshipped” them. I said it…b/c I saw it on her website. Seeing is believing.

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  30. My whole generation Jim is crap. They all do not care about their futures and I seriously doubt any of them will live past 50.
    I usually spend my nights studying and I have never gotten a bad report.

    Just because I had pictures up doesn’t mean I am in love with them. I find looking at killers very intersting and yes that might be sick but I do. If you really knew me you’d understand that that is the only way I can keep my mind off what has happend to me.

    I don’t support people who go out and kill others so stop saying I do.People who know the real me including my principal knows my research is just that research. I am not a nutcase like so many are to say oh I’d have sex with them. It’s pathetic.

    Abortion is always wrong and I think it should be illegal. When my little brother died 2 minutes after being born I hate people who think abortion is right. Seriously having to go to the cemetary everyday and hear my mom cry makes me feel like crap.

    I can’t have kids but if I did I would teach them that sometimes people can blind themself with rage and things happen.

    These kids from winslow I know and they were the most depressed kids I have ever met. They believed everyone hated them after all they were in a mostly all black school. My best friend who I love to death was on the hitlist and I actually understand why. People joke around all the time but sometimes saying stuff is just like stabbing. Maybe this will teach kids that what you say to someone can really have harmful outcomes.

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  31. Your good grades and study habits are to your credit.

    I hate to repeat myself, but it seems necessary as you don’t seem to grasp the concept of “life does not get better after graduation”. All those kids who drove you nuts as a kid go away and are replaced by adults who drive you nuts. all the adults (teachers, parents… etc) are replaced by bosses (and in my case the boss’ psycho bitch wife).

    Depression is no excuse for murder.

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  32. I don’t support people who go out and kill others so stop saying I do.

    But by putting up the simple phrase “RIP Reb and Vodka” shows otherwise. Why not RIP for the true victims of Columbine?

    If you really knew me you’d understand that that is the only way I can keep my mind off what has happend to me.

    I’m not even going to try to act like I understand the pain you have gone through. But rather than turning to killers why not turn to the victims of people who suffered similar tragedies as you and reach out to help them?

    I am not a nutcase like so many are to say oh I’d have sex with them. It’s pathetic.

    At least we agree on something.

    These kids from winslow I know and they were the most depressed kids I have ever met. They believed everyone hated them after all they were in a mostly all black school.

    Depression is still not a reason to kill 25 people. If it was there would hardly be anybody left on the planet.

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  33. Ok, I go to Winslow. I came upon this site by accident, but I’m a little annoyed by the way Sara keeps saying how those kids were so depressed and isolated because they went to an all black school. Or, to quote, “They believed everyone hated them after all they were in a mostly all black school.” First of all, it’s not an all black school, and it really doesn’t matter if it is. The reason they got teased wasn’t because it was an “all black school”. The fact is, if you come to school in a trenchcoat and chains, chances are that somebody might make fun of you. If they were so upset over the way they were being treated, maybe they want to leave the combat boots and eyeliner at home next time.

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  34. Judging is what comes into play in this situation. Just because some people dress in black and don’t share the similiar thoughts doesn’t give people the right to shun them. I try to treat everyone equal. Have you even talked to them.
    They are a bunch of nutcases now though.

    The main reason i look at killers I see that my life isn’t that bad and I am thankfull nothing has happend to me.
    Even though Eric and dylan killed 13 people I still feel guilty that something could have been done to stop it.

    Plus the fact their parents cant even put them to peace.

    Eric once said:
    “My parents are the best fucking parents I have ever known. My dad is great. I wish I was a fucking sociopath so I didn’t have any remorse, but I do. This is going to tear them apart. They will never forget it. There is nothing you guys could have done to prevent any of this.”
    “If only we would have searched their room. If only we would have asked the right questions, I am really sorry about all this.”
    Victims are the Parents who blame themselves when they get up that they ruined peoples lives and didn’t see the anger in their children.

    sorry jim for being rude though.

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  35. If kids are that fond of their parents… the parents are doing something wrong. No one should be aware of how good their parents are till at least 19 years old.

    Right about the same time the real world hits them square in the face and they are either prepared for it… or unprepared.

    Those two couldn’t even handle high school. If they didn’t kill their classmates, they would have killed some random Wal-mart employees or something.

    How is it that Eric says “There is nothing you guys could have done to prevent any of this” and yet you say “Even though Eric and dylan killed 13 people I still feel guilty that something could have been done to stop it.”

    His own words and your being too young and too far… and probably not someone they would listen too anyway, prove you would never have been able to stop what they did. If you were there… you may have wound up one of their victims.

    Listen, I understand the desire to know more about a subject. you hear about something and for whatever reason you wish to know more. But please stop placing yourself in their position. Stop trying to understand them… it does not help you. It will only make you crazy in the long run.

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  36. Hey – have any of you though of any new ideas we could use to free Tibet?

    I’m thinking maybe could just round up all the bullies in this country and send them over there to make fun of the oppressive click. That way all the meanies would get sick and tired of being made fun of and picked on and would resort to violence and in the end would run around killing each other. Simply because they were picked on. That would be great.

    Free Tibet. Send a Bully.

    Wait a minute – I’ve gotta go to cafepress and make that into a bumper sticker.

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  37. I am placing myself in their parents position how it feels to have a child who desides to shoot up his or her school. Its bad for them to because they blame themselves.

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