Everyday it’s something hits me all so cold

The troubled life of shooting suspect:

You just had to know it was coming. The media are starting to roll out the excuse for why Eric Hainstock shot and killed Weston Schools principal John Klang. He was abused. He was bullied. He was a special ed student. And to all that I have to ask the usual question of common sense. So what?

While the father, Shawn Hainstock, sounds like a real son of a bitch…

The elder Hainstock kicked the boy several times in the hip area because he was angry that the boy, who was identified in the records by his initials and date of birth, had not watered some pets, the records indicate.

Shawn Hainstock also poured hot sauce and hot peppers in the boy’s mouth for lying and using foul language, and threatened the boy with juvenile court and foster care, according to court records.

…it sounds like the apple doesn’t fall too far from the tree…

Whatever his reasons, Hainstock had been a disruptive student for several years at both the Weston School District and in Reedsburg, where he attended elementary school, said Roger Frommund, a family friend.

“(The shooting) shocks me, and yet it don’t shock me,” said Frommund, who said he last saw Hainstock in June 2005.

“In the past, he’s had his problems. Even as a little boy, he was kind of disruptive,” said Frommund, whose grandson attended school with Hainstock in Reedsburg.

And this is supposed to make us feel sorry for him…

Hainstock, who’s being held in the Sauk County Jail, told investigators that students at the school had been picking on him, calling him “fag” and “faggot,” and that staff members wouldn’t stop them.

Welcome to life kid. As usual, I have to reiterate that tons of kids throughout the history of schools in our world had bad home lives and were harassed in school. Except that the majority of them didn’t go on to kill anyone. And as far as the special ed argument goes…

Harvey Schmuker, who lives on property adjoining the Hainstocks’, saw Eric Hainstock around 7 a.m. Friday morning carrying what looked like a car battery.

“I always had an odd feeling” about Hainstock, Schmuker said, but added he was surprised by the shooting.

Hainstock was a smart child, Schmuker said. “I’m sure he knew what he was doing. This (the shooting) must have been cooking for a little bit.”

And the family is already making excuses…

A man who identified himself only as a second cousin to Hainstock asked that the teen “be treated fairly” by the public.

“I think people want to damn an individual for their actions and not take into consideration there are other circumstances that brought that on,” the man said. “What he did was a mistake. By our laws it’s inexcusable (but) I can sympathize with the fact that he was picked on quite extensively by his fellow classmates.”

I bet John Klang’s family and friends wished that he was treated fairly instead of being shot in the head.

There are never any excuses for a school shooting. But it seems that common sense and personal responsibility have entered some kind of suicide pact in Wisconsin.

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  1. see this kid had a very hard life he had every right to kill people to bed he didnt kill enough

    free eric hainstock

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  2. Bits and pieces, bits and pieces. Oy!

    “…eyewitness, threatened to confront school officials about fellow students who tormented him.”

    So he didn’t? Why? Because he was threatened if he did or because he felt he couldn’t trust the officials (due to prior attempts or mere belief that he wouldn’t receive justice)?

    “there “was not going to be any homecoming this year and that Mr. Klang was not going to make it through homecoming”

    Well… that answers the question if the principal was a direct target or not.
    And there’s that “intentional homicide” thing again. Geez. It’s “murder” for crying out loud. Few letters. Why do they have to be so unnecessarily lengthy? Oy!

    Not that it matters (then again….) but:
    “On Thursday Klang had given Hainstock a disciplinary notice for having tobacco in school, authorities said.”
    Are there a lot of schools with policies against this because when I go by middle/high schools in my area, if there aren’t kids smoking on school grounds outside the school, then they are merely across the street. I wonder what the actual policy is there.

    Of course, that was a notice, not expulsion. But prior reports say the kid had been expelled. Why? i haven’t seen it yet.

    “Hainstock, who’s being held in the Sauk County Jail, told investigators that students at the school had been picking on him, calling him “fag” and “faggot,” and that staff members wouldn’t stop them.”

    Not only is the verbal abuse by bigots (doesn’t matter if the kid were homosexual or not, the abusers are bigots and should have faced disciplinary actions as well. Hainstock was given a notice for having tobacco, why weren’t these abusers given notice for making bigoted comments to him? And the key here is that apparently the staff did know and didn’t do anything about it. They should be held responsible as well in regard to the verbal abuse as co-conspirators.

    Trench, you mention that victims of abuse don’t all go around killing their tormentors. Correct. Abuse victims tend to do the following, with some minor additions as variations:
    1. Commit suicide
    2. Take the abuse and continue to be victims throughout their lives
    3. Stand up non-violently to their abusers. Either the abuser stops, continues the abuse, or escalates the abuse. Sometimes this includes reporting the abuse to authority figures. The authority figures either do nothing or encourage the abuse, tell the victim to live with the abuse that there is nothing they can do about it, or try to intervene. The results can be the same as previously mentioned.
    4. Physically stand up to the abuser. The abuser may stop, continue, or escalate. The victim, even in a single instance, may find themselves in trouble with authority figures. Sometimes, other parties may feel this act is justified, others don’t.
    5. Stand up to the abuser and no matter what the result, become an abuser themselves.

    Remember how you mentioned that the apple didn’t fall too far from the tree when talking about the kid’s father? Sounds like, in some cases, number 5 applied. And the shooting may be the kid’s choice of number 4.

    Some might argue that he should have commited suicide. Certainly, from the way people talk about him, no one would have really cared. Or, the kids at school would have been in denial “Oh, we have no idea why he did it. He was a loner and no one did anything bad to him.”

    “Shawn Hainstock and the boy’s mother were divorced in September 1995. The mother received visitation rights but Hainstock, who was unemployed and was receiving Social Security disability benefits, was granted physical placement because the judge believed he presented an environment “better suited to the boy.””

    Guess they were wrong.

    The family member who said that it was false about a village raising a child is the one who is wrong. The greater the number of positive people versus negative people in an individual’s life leads to a better individual. No, not always, but I’d lay down good money that it applies most of the time.

    We don’t know all the particulars about this kid from beginning to now. Why was his mother not good for him? Why was he in special ed? Why was he expelled? Where was the flash point that started his tilt to “the dark side”?

    Was he justified in his actions? No. Did he make a right choice? No. Is it understandable how he got from where he was to where he is (the forks in the paths he was led to and how the path he chose was one of the few available to him)? Yes. Doesn’t make it a right choice, just makes it understandable.

    Do I sympathize with him? I feel sorry for the abuse he suffered. I feel sorry that someone died. I don’t feel sorry for him making the choice he made. And I don’t feel sorry for those who abused him and the abuse they inflicted on him.

    Personally, I wish I knew who his attorney was. I would like to write him (the attorney) a letter. Ah well.

    (BTW, should I be counting down how long it takes before someone (he-who-should-not-be-named in particular) blames a video game and sends in an affidavit demanding a search warrant for the kids home to look for some Rockstar game like GTA? Probably, considering this week’s civil lawsuit filed in New Mexico over the Cody Posey case. :: sigh :: )

    Andrew

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  3. The unmentionable one is busy with that Wyoming murder right now but give him time.

    Andrew you’re obviously very intelligent but I think you’re sellling abuse victims short. You forgot option 6. They leave the abuse behind and go on to lead successful lives.

    In my generation it was the abused kids from school that went on to move away from home and get successful careers. It was the abusers that usually never left that town and ended up in jail.

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  4. As I say, there are variations. That option 6 could easily be a variation of 2 or 3, or somewhere in the middle. Do nothing but still end up strong.

    Wyoming? Which murder is that one? It’s news to me as far as his involvment. I know about NM, big time in the news this week. I’m expecting him to make an appearance in the Castillo one (Hillsborugh, NC) because he mentioned it on Outlaw Radio. He’s mentioned the Montreal case, but I don’t think he’ll get involved. Not heavily. But I could be wrong. Of course, there are cases that he’s done a “I’m all over this” rant about but haven’t heard anything more. I’m quite sure he won’t do squat in regards to the Colorado one. He’d really look silly arguing that one.

    BTW, what was the name of the kid who, at one point, had stabbed his (at the time) assistant principal (I think) in the hand with a pencil, was sent to Juvi for a year (I think), then the next year (which was near the end of last year, shot the guy, who was the principal. I -think- it happened in TN. The picture of the kid I recall in the media he wore glasses and a yellow t-shirt. I tried looking it up on Google, but can’t get the search right enough to make it narrow enough. I hadn’t heard much about the case since the arrest. I kept having a feeling there was something more to the case but never found out more.
    I know my details are kinda vague, but I think it’s close enough. If it wasn’t TN, it was KS, but I’m fairly sure it was TN.

    Andrew

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  5. Maybe I’m thinking of New Mexico. I didn’t really follow it.

    That person you’re talking about is Ken Bartley. Check the Campbell County High archives of my site.

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  6. Re: Ken Bartley

    Hearing date set for Oct 9th… to set a trial date or resolve the case.

    Am I the only one who just saw a slow moving snail chained to a 100 lb weight out pace the legal system here?

    Geez.

    Andrew

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  7. Andrew you are very smart and i thank you for saying that stuff which is true by the way. Eric is my cousin i love him no matter what but if the students and the staff, teachers would have listened to him he would not be where he is now and they have could prevented it. In the long run the kids and all the people that made his life a living HELL, all i have to say what goes around comes around and i hope that one day they can feel the way eric felt alone, scared, and helpless. I know him and all he has been is hugs and kisses he was there for me always and I can not sit back any longer and let people say those things my family and I know more about erics life then the lawyers know and i will not protect anyones ass but Erics. His cousin Mara

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  8. The elephant in this room discussing this gun death is the guns.

    C-Span Denver Press Club is just discussing this issue and school shootings.

    The shocking statistic that 8 gun deaths by people under 18years old happen every day.

    If the Hainstock family had not had guns and bullets in their problem home would anyone be dead? If the Hainstock family would have decided to homeschool because they couldn’t work out what they say is a conflict with the school then that problem would have been solved too.

    LOVE YOUR KIDS OR YOUR GUNS BUT DON’T EXPECT PROBLEM KIDS AND DEADLY WEAPONS TO CO-EXIST PEACEABLY.

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