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Teen parents charged in toddler’s meth-related death:

Child Dies After Ingesting Meth Ingredient:

Meth chemical that killed toddler was in a coffee cup on a table:

I kid about certain states sometimes like West Virginia and never really had a problem with Kentucky, until now. And let’s get this one out of the way up front. The following story takes place in a trailer.

22-month-old Kayden Branham of Monticello, Kentucky died after swallowing chemicals used to manufacture meth. Both Breeders have been charged with murder in his death. They would be sperm donor Bryan Daniels, 19, and the 14-year-old birth organism. That’s not a typo as so many of you pointed out to me. That means he was 17 and she was 12 when she gave birth. Which also means she may have been younger when she got pregnant.

The chemical was drain cleaner, specifically called Liquid Fire, that had been left in coffee cup. Even if you feel compelled to make meth you would think that these tweakers would at least keep their kids away from it. Sadly this isn’t the first baby drinking meth chemicals story we’ve had.

4 ‘adults’ have also been charged with manufacturing meth. They would be Danny Anderson II, 26; James Hunt, 24; Alisha Dicken, 21; and Wesley Bell, 24.

So we’ve got meth, a trailer, and a severe case of underage pregnancy. It’s like Jerry Springer meets COPS.

Thanks to every one who sent this tip in.

126 thoughts on “Kentucky toddler dies after ingesting meth chemicals

  1. LIsa says:

    Don’t forget the red-nosed pit bull, Chompers! (I kid! I kid! 😉

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  2. LIsa says:

    Don’t forget the red-nosed pit bull, Chompers! (I kid! I kid! 😉

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  3. LIsa says:

    Yikes. Poor baby! What is the matter with the underage incubator’s parents??? She should never have been allowed to play house with another human being’s life at such a young age. That child would have been so loved in an adoptive home…

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  4. LIsa says:

    Yikes. Poor baby! What is the matter with the underage incubator’s parents??? She should never have been allowed to play house with another human being’s life at such a young age. That child would have been so loved in an adoptive home…

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  5. zola says:

    I dunno about adopting just the baby out of the 14-year-old’s arms…my granny had more than 10 kids, starting at age 14, and all of them did just fine. But she was raised by parents who taught her to keep a good home and she never had any other idea than that she would get married, have kids and keep house — I’d be willing to bet a dozen donuts that the girl in this story, despite access to modern education, did not have parents who raised her to have reasonable, healthy goals or to care for or respect herself, much less an infant. There must have been some red flags — like getting preggers at 12 — that should have suggested that this girl have had access to a more supportive environment in which to bear and possibly begin to raise her child, and staying in a crappy environment where self-destruction is the norm –with an infant/toddler — could not have sharpened her reasoning skills.

    As to little ones drinking caustic chemicals, it can happen to anyone — when I was a toddler, & my family assumed I was sleeping upstairs and couldn’t even get down the steps by myself, I downed a whole teacup of chemicals used to clean corroded metal before my parents could stop me. Nobody was drunk, high, or negligent; kids just do things you don’t expect because they’re always learning how to do new things and experimenting with their environments. It’s doubtful they had child-proof cabinet doors in the meth lab, though : (

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  6. zola says:

    I dunno about adopting just the baby out of the 14-year-old’s arms…my granny had more than 10 kids, starting at age 14, and all of them did just fine. But she was raised by parents who taught her to keep a good home and she never had any other idea than that she would get married, have kids and keep house — I’d be willing to bet a dozen donuts that the girl in this story, despite access to modern education, did not have parents who raised her to have reasonable, healthy goals or to care for or respect herself, much less an infant. There must have been some red flags — like getting preggers at 12 — that should have suggested that this girl have had access to a more supportive environment in which to bear and possibly begin to raise her child, and staying in a crappy environment where self-destruction is the norm –with an infant/toddler — could not have sharpened her reasoning skills.

    As to little ones drinking caustic chemicals, it can happen to anyone — when I was a toddler, & my family assumed I was sleeping upstairs and couldn’t even get down the steps by myself, I downed a whole teacup of chemicals used to clean corroded metal before my parents could stop me. Nobody was drunk, high, or negligent; kids just do things you don’t expect because they’re always learning how to do new things and experimenting with their environments. It’s doubtful they had child-proof cabinet doors in the meth lab, though : (

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  7. Don’t forget the red-nosed pit bull, Chompers! (I kid! I kid! 😉

    That reminds me of Stand By Me.

    Sic balls Chopper.

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  8. Don’t forget the red-nosed pit bull, Chompers! (I kid! I kid! 😉

    That reminds me of Stand By Me.

    Sic balls Chopper.

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  9. Samantha says:

    dang Lisa beat me to it!

    That is crazy though… as much as we hate stereotypes, we just get more and more people trying to prove them right everyday!

    Poor kid. I mean come one people… you dont cook/do meth (or any other drugs) when there are children involved! You just dont do it. How many times do stories like this, stories of housing blowing up, stories kid actually ingesting the drugs have to happen before people wake up and start thinking about their kids???

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  10. Samantha says:

    dang Lisa beat me to it!

    That is crazy though… as much as we hate stereotypes, we just get more and more people trying to prove them right everyday!

    Poor kid. I mean come one people… you dont cook/do meth (or any other drugs) when there are children involved! You just dont do it. How many times do stories like this, stories of housing blowing up, stories kid actually ingesting the drugs have to happen before people wake up and start thinking about their kids???

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  11. Samantha says:

    housing= houses

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  12. Samantha says:

    housing= houses

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  13. RD says:

    Even though it isn’t the most tragic aspect of this story I cannot fathom getting pregnant at 11. I am 23, expecting my first in August, and have felt that I am starting too young. I remember in High School when it was a REALLY big deal to have a child at 16 or 17 … but 12??? How is a 12 year old’s body even be capable of giving birth? I am truly saddened by this whole story … and the though of having to raise my daughter in a society where these types of scenarios are becoming more normal than not is truly terrifying. You would think that the fact that this little girl had a child at such a young age would be reason enough to keep a CLOSE eye on her and her baby but apparently not. I wish CPS was not stretched so thin that they, in most cases, cannot make a difference where it is really needed.

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  14. RD says:

    Even though it isn’t the most tragic aspect of this story I cannot fathom getting pregnant at 11. I am 23, expecting my first in August, and have felt that I am starting too young. I remember in High School when it was a REALLY big deal to have a child at 16 or 17 … but 12??? How is a 12 year old’s body even be capable of giving birth? I am truly saddened by this whole story … and the though of having to raise my daughter in a society where these types of scenarios are becoming more normal than not is truly terrifying. You would think that the fact that this little girl had a child at such a young age would be reason enough to keep a CLOSE eye on her and her baby but apparently not. I wish CPS was not stretched so thin that they, in most cases, cannot make a difference where it is really needed.

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  15. LeeAnn says:

    Hey happy posters! I had my first baby at 14. I got pregnant at 13. I am now 26 and my “baby” is 12. She’s doing fine as am I. I think it depends on the person and the situation. I had alot of help and support in the form of my mother. I went on to get married and have another baby, 10 1/2 years after the first. She is now 2.

    Sorry, just had to point out that not all really young moms are horrific or bad. Oh, did I mention I am orignally from Kentucky? lol This story did it for me!

    @Zola. You are sooo right. Kids get into things when you least expect it. I left the room to use the bathroom and my 2 year old took the oppurtunity to scale my computer desk and eat a piece of nicotine gum. That is the first time I have ever called poison control and hopefully, although probably, not the last time. It is too bad this baby died though. Trench is right. At least keep the shit away from your kids. They put it in a coffee cup. Geesh! And what the hell would a 17 year old want with a 12 year old. My oldest is 12 and if she brought home a 17 year old, I’d rip his nuts off. That is just gross!

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  16. LeeAnn says:

    Hey happy posters! I had my first baby at 14. I got pregnant at 13. I am now 26 and my “baby” is 12. She’s doing fine as am I. I think it depends on the person and the situation. I had alot of help and support in the form of my mother. I went on to get married and have another baby, 10 1/2 years after the first. She is now 2.

    Sorry, just had to point out that not all really young moms are horrific or bad. Oh, did I mention I am orignally from Kentucky? lol This story did it for me!

    @Zola. You are sooo right. Kids get into things when you least expect it. I left the room to use the bathroom and my 2 year old took the oppurtunity to scale my computer desk and eat a piece of nicotine gum. That is the first time I have ever called poison control and hopefully, although probably, not the last time. It is too bad this baby died though. Trench is right. At least keep the shit away from your kids. They put it in a coffee cup. Geesh! And what the hell would a 17 year old want with a 12 year old. My oldest is 12 and if she brought home a 17 year old, I’d rip his nuts off. That is just gross!

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  17. Anastasia says:

    Do you really think getting preggo at 13 is ok? Regardles if your mom helped you raise it or whatever. No way … I was taught way better than that. I wasnt even thinkign about sex at 13 and i was definitely never in a situation where I would be having sex at 13. Wow. I agree with RD this world is getting raelly sad.

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  18. Anastasia says:

    Do you really think getting preggo at 13 is ok? Regardles if your mom helped you raise it or whatever. No way … I was taught way better than that. I wasnt even thinkign about sex at 13 and i was definitely never in a situation where I would be having sex at 13. Wow. I agree with RD this world is getting raelly sad.

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  19. Angi says:

    I think I feel more sorry for the 14 year old girl than anyone. (The baby is in a much better place than he would have been here on Earth, given the circumstances.) But, that little girl had her entire life robbed from her when that 17 year old laid down with her. Even if she thinks she knew what she was doing at 11 or 12 by getting pregnant, she didn’t. Most (NOT ALL – before you tell me how you are different & @zola is was a very different time when your granny was having kids) girls getting pregnant at that age are abused at home, whether being sexually or physically abused, or neglected. Having sex at that age is usually a call for help. It is so sad that rather than someone protecting the little girl in the beginning (and hopefully none of this would have ever come to pass), she could face some serious prison charges. She’s sure to be tried as an adult even though she was probably only following the only adult examples she had available to her. The rest of her life will be overshadowed by this. She will never be able to get a decent job when she’ll have to disclose to every potential employer that she has a felony murder charge in her background. Prison may be the best thing that happens to her. At least, she will be required to finish high school.

    It is a tragedy what happened to Kayden, and I don’t mean to lessen that fact at all.

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  20. Angi says:

    I think I feel more sorry for the 14 year old girl than anyone. (The baby is in a much better place than he would have been here on Earth, given the circumstances.) But, that little girl had her entire life robbed from her when that 17 year old laid down with her. Even if she thinks she knew what she was doing at 11 or 12 by getting pregnant, she didn’t. Most (NOT ALL – before you tell me how you are different & @zola is was a very different time when your granny was having kids) girls getting pregnant at that age are abused at home, whether being sexually or physically abused, or neglected. Having sex at that age is usually a call for help. It is so sad that rather than someone protecting the little girl in the beginning (and hopefully none of this would have ever come to pass), she could face some serious prison charges. She’s sure to be tried as an adult even though she was probably only following the only adult examples she had available to her. The rest of her life will be overshadowed by this. She will never be able to get a decent job when she’ll have to disclose to every potential employer that she has a felony murder charge in her background. Prison may be the best thing that happens to her. At least, she will be required to finish high school.

    It is a tragedy what happened to Kayden, and I don’t mean to lessen that fact at all.

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  21. bamagirl says:

    Wow. 14 and 19 year old parents….They are hardly old enough to take care of themselves. If it were up to me (which it obviously isn’t), there would be mandatory birth control for anyone under the age of 21.

    They had no business being parents. They probably wouldn’t even be good pet owners since they are teenage meth heads… and now a dear child, that they didn’t deserve, is gone. I am sure that someone else would have loved to love that baby (people like me that can’t “grown their own”) and take care of him properly. The “parents” are a waste of oxygen. Poor baby.

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  22. bamagirl says:

    Wow. 14 and 19 year old parents….They are hardly old enough to take care of themselves. If it were up to me (which it obviously isn’t), there would be mandatory birth control for anyone under the age of 21.

    They had no business being parents. They probably wouldn’t even be good pet owners since they are teenage meth heads… and now a dear child, that they didn’t deserve, is gone. I am sure that someone else would have loved to love that baby (people like me that can’t “grown their own”) and take care of him properly. The “parents” are a waste of oxygen. Poor baby.

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  23. bamagirl says:

    To LeeAnn:

    Congratulations on making the best out of an unfortunate situation. I am sure you are fully aware of the favor that you did for your baby and yourself by being responsible for your happy accident (I say “accident” but I apologize if it was intentional and not accidental).

    Despite your success, you must know that you are the exception to the rule. I doubt that many moms that start as young as you did have such a fortunate outcome. You were lucky to have such supportive parents.

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  24. bamagirl says:

    To LeeAnn:

    Congratulations on making the best out of an unfortunate situation. I am sure you are fully aware of the favor that you did for your baby and yourself by being responsible for your happy accident (I say “accident” but I apologize if it was intentional and not accidental).

    Despite your success, you must know that you are the exception to the rule. I doubt that many moms that start as young as you did have such a fortunate outcome. You were lucky to have such supportive parents.

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  25. I am sure you are fully aware of the favor that you did for your baby and yourself by being responsible for your happy accident

    Not accident. Surprise. 🙂

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  26. I am sure you are fully aware of the favor that you did for your baby and yourself by being responsible for your happy accident

    Not accident. Surprise. 🙂

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  27. Lisa says:

    Why feel sorry for the 14 year old mother? She WILLINGLY laid down with Brian. I live in the same town as these people. This has affected our whole town. If she wasn’t willing to lay down with him she wouldn’t have kept him around 2 years later.

    That beautiful baby boy died because of his irresponsible and immature parents. They are nothing but trash!

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  28. Lisa says:

    Why feel sorry for the 14 year old mother? She WILLINGLY laid down with Brian. I live in the same town as these people. This has affected our whole town. If she wasn’t willing to lay down with him she wouldn’t have kept him around 2 years later.

    That beautiful baby boy died because of his irresponsible and immature parents. They are nothing but trash!

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  29. zola says:

    Lisa — 12 year olds generally don’t have a lot of (or ANY) economic power. They can’t even call a cab to get the hell out of a bad situation; a lot of them don’t even have the reading skills to use a bus schedule if there is public transportation in the area. They may have some distorted understanding of the kind of sh*tstorm that would rain on their family if they get the police or social services involved which prevents them from asking for help. I kind of doubt she had any place to go or any more money when she was 14.

    Neither 12 nor 14 year olds can vote, drive, buy cigarettes, purchase liquor, or enter into legal agreements. The vast majority of them cannot be relied on to make enough good decisions about their own welfare even in the best circumstances. (My granny was an exception even in her time — she married a man with a farm, a house, and a job.)

    To call a 12 – 14 year old girl — a CHILD — trash is simply awful and wrong.

    Maybe that baby died because people are so invested in name-calling and demonizing kids with problems who have babies rather than being kind and trying to help them, no matter how unpleasant their circumstances.

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  30. zola says:

    Lisa — 12 year olds generally don’t have a lot of (or ANY) economic power. They can’t even call a cab to get the hell out of a bad situation; a lot of them don’t even have the reading skills to use a bus schedule if there is public transportation in the area. They may have some distorted understanding of the kind of sh*tstorm that would rain on their family if they get the police or social services involved which prevents them from asking for help. I kind of doubt she had any place to go or any more money when she was 14.

    Neither 12 nor 14 year olds can vote, drive, buy cigarettes, purchase liquor, or enter into legal agreements. The vast majority of them cannot be relied on to make enough good decisions about their own welfare even in the best circumstances. (My granny was an exception even in her time — she married a man with a farm, a house, and a job.)

    To call a 12 – 14 year old girl — a CHILD — trash is simply awful and wrong.

    Maybe that baby died because people are so invested in name-calling and demonizing kids with problems who have babies rather than being kind and trying to help them, no matter how unpleasant their circumstances.

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  31. Natashja says:

    NO Zola I dont agree with you. That child decided to open her legs – she was not raped she chose it. That child decided to keep the baby and therefore accepted responsibility for him, that child chose to do meth and manufacture it and then being stupid enough to let the stuff lying around so her baby (who do not have a choice) could get hold of it and DIE! She had the choice to give the baby up for adoption, she had the choice to say NO to sex, she had the choice to not do meth and by God I am sure she knew how to make a damn phone call to get help if she wanted it. She may not be trash but her actions and behaviour is clearly trashy and if she wants to play grown up, she should carry her punishment like a grown up. The same goes for that penis of hers. He clearly deserves to rot in jail. In our Country it is illegal for any child under the age of 16 to have sex. A person older than 16 found to have had sex with a child under the age of 16 is guilty of statutory rape, never mind if it is a 16 year old boy sleeping with his 15 year old girlfriend.

    @ LeeAnn what do you mean by “That is the first time I have ever called poison control and hopefully, although probably, not the last time” – That is the first time I called poision control and hopefully… not the last time???? Do you want your child to ingest poison?????

    And it is STUPID to leave poison lying around. Although I am sure Nicotine gum cannot kill your child I will not voice my opinion on this as a child can mistakenly think it is gum. All our household cleaners and medicines are LOCKED AWAY in a top cupboard so my son doesnt get hold of it AND nothing is kept in cold drink bottles or glasses / cups so he may confuse it with cold drink.

    God, this story makes me sick. How stupid can a person be.

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  32. Natashja says:

    NO Zola I dont agree with you. That child decided to open her legs – she was not raped she chose it. That child decided to keep the baby and therefore accepted responsibility for him, that child chose to do meth and manufacture it and then being stupid enough to let the stuff lying around so her baby (who do not have a choice) could get hold of it and DIE! She had the choice to give the baby up for adoption, she had the choice to say NO to sex, she had the choice to not do meth and by God I am sure she knew how to make a damn phone call to get help if she wanted it. She may not be trash but her actions and behaviour is clearly trashy and if she wants to play grown up, she should carry her punishment like a grown up. The same goes for that penis of hers. He clearly deserves to rot in jail. In our Country it is illegal for any child under the age of 16 to have sex. A person older than 16 found to have had sex with a child under the age of 16 is guilty of statutory rape, never mind if it is a 16 year old boy sleeping with his 15 year old girlfriend.

    @ LeeAnn what do you mean by “That is the first time I have ever called poison control and hopefully, although probably, not the last time” – That is the first time I called poision control and hopefully… not the last time???? Do you want your child to ingest poison?????

    And it is STUPID to leave poison lying around. Although I am sure Nicotine gum cannot kill your child I will not voice my opinion on this as a child can mistakenly think it is gum. All our household cleaners and medicines are LOCKED AWAY in a top cupboard so my son doesnt get hold of it AND nothing is kept in cold drink bottles or glasses / cups so he may confuse it with cold drink.

    God, this story makes me sick. How stupid can a person be.

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  33. zola says:

    Natashja,

    My parents weren’t stupid. In fact, they were a lot smarter than you, judging by your writing and reasoning ability. Your emotional intelligence sucks big booty, too: You have absolutely no idea what that girl’s life was like, & no empathy, and judging by the evidence, it doesn’t take a genius to infer that she didn’t have much going for her or anyone substantially on her side.

    You sound like a real treat to be around — I hope for your son’s sake you can shove your high and mighty, infallible self-image up you capacious behind where it belongs.

    Real parents know that they can and do make mistakes. Real parents hear about a 12 year old getting pregnant and a 14 year old living in a meth lab where her baby dies and imagine how horrible it would be if that turned out to be our own 2-year old in 10 & 12 years… and that if it does go down that way, IT IS OUR FAULT because 12 & 14 year olds are, overwhelmingly, children — and they should be allowed to be children even when their life is perfect shite.

    You are cruising for a verbal bruising if you accuse anyone of wanting to poison her child — you sound, as a matter of fact, pretty unbalanced.

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  34. zola says:

    Natashja,

    My parents weren’t stupid. In fact, they were a lot smarter than you, judging by your writing and reasoning ability. Your emotional intelligence sucks big booty, too: You have absolutely no idea what that girl’s life was like, & no empathy, and judging by the evidence, it doesn’t take a genius to infer that she didn’t have much going for her or anyone substantially on her side.

    You sound like a real treat to be around — I hope for your son’s sake you can shove your high and mighty, infallible self-image up you capacious behind where it belongs.

    Real parents know that they can and do make mistakes. Real parents hear about a 12 year old getting pregnant and a 14 year old living in a meth lab where her baby dies and imagine how horrible it would be if that turned out to be our own 2-year old in 10 & 12 years… and that if it does go down that way, IT IS OUR FAULT because 12 & 14 year olds are, overwhelmingly, children — and they should be allowed to be children even when their life is perfect shite.

    You are cruising for a verbal bruising if you accuse anyone of wanting to poison her child — you sound, as a matter of fact, pretty unbalanced.

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  35. Natashja says:

    @ Zola, yes clearly they were a lot smarter. It is the smart thing to do to leave cups with poison lying around. And not to lock it away in a cupboard out of reach – no definitely. I concur.

    Shame, you dont know where I have been in my life and how hard I had to work to get to where I am today, which incidentally is a corporate lawyer at a bank, therefore, do not make assumptions you cannot base on fact. This girl had the choice to give that precious child up for adoption and to say No to sex and drugs, yet she chose not to. Nobody forced her to do anything against her will. What I am saying is that that little baby did not have any choice in this at all. So no, my sympathy does not lie with the “mother” but with the child who did not deserve this.

    By the way I do not have a high and mighty attitude – I am a responsible adult making responsible choices to safeguard my child and would not be faulted for doing what a mother does – protecting her baby.

    I will try and raise my child that he does not need to turn to drugs nor women to make his life happier or by doing this to be accepted by his peers – should God Forbid this happen to my child hopefully I would have succeeded in establishing open communication with him and he wont be afraid to ask for my help – which ironically I will give without judging him. Parents makes mistakes I agree, but we are talking here about criminal behaviour and just any old mistake. That is the difference.

    By the way, I asked LeeAnn a question – I am not the one that said hopefully it wont be the last time I phone the poison control. I would pray that I will never make that mistake again!

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  36. Natashja says:

    @ Zola, yes clearly they were a lot smarter. It is the smart thing to do to leave cups with poison lying around. And not to lock it away in a cupboard out of reach – no definitely. I concur.

    Shame, you dont know where I have been in my life and how hard I had to work to get to where I am today, which incidentally is a corporate lawyer at a bank, therefore, do not make assumptions you cannot base on fact. This girl had the choice to give that precious child up for adoption and to say No to sex and drugs, yet she chose not to. Nobody forced her to do anything against her will. What I am saying is that that little baby did not have any choice in this at all. So no, my sympathy does not lie with the “mother” but with the child who did not deserve this.

    By the way I do not have a high and mighty attitude – I am a responsible adult making responsible choices to safeguard my child and would not be faulted for doing what a mother does – protecting her baby.

    I will try and raise my child that he does not need to turn to drugs nor women to make his life happier or by doing this to be accepted by his peers – should God Forbid this happen to my child hopefully I would have succeeded in establishing open communication with him and he wont be afraid to ask for my help – which ironically I will give without judging him. Parents makes mistakes I agree, but we are talking here about criminal behaviour and just any old mistake. That is the difference.

    By the way, I asked LeeAnn a question – I am not the one that said hopefully it wont be the last time I phone the poison control. I would pray that I will never make that mistake again!

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  37. babushka says:

    okay i have to admit i have called the poisons infoline a few times, the first when my son hid in my cupboard and tried to eat nappy rash cream, the second when he found my quickeze when i was pregnant with my other son, both times were accidents but both times i caught him within a few seconds. I think the argument here is more about the little girl getting pregnant. The reason that having sex with a minor is illegal is coz they are too young to understand repercussions and responsibility and are quite gullible and easily led.
    As a 12 year old girl i would have been so flattered if a 17 year old boy was interested in me. (which kind of makes him a sick bastard, but beyond the point) I probably wouldnt have slept with him, not understanding how it all worked for a few more years, but you can see how she could fall for it, peer pressures a bitch. Her parents obviously didnt instill the best values in her, and while its disgusting that they have that shit in there house where the kid can get to it, thats not indicative of her age, just of both of them being shit parents. The other girl on here who was 13 when she got pregnant with her first, i dont see a problem with again, it sounds like you love her and look after her and THATS what matters. I didnt have my first till i was 24, and that was early enough for me, but my mate was 14 when she had her first, now has 3 and is one of the best mothers i have ever met, its not the age its the maturity, but it sounds like this girl doesnt have either!

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  38. babushka says:

    okay i have to admit i have called the poisons infoline a few times, the first when my son hid in my cupboard and tried to eat nappy rash cream, the second when he found my quickeze when i was pregnant with my other son, both times were accidents but both times i caught him within a few seconds. I think the argument here is more about the little girl getting pregnant. The reason that having sex with a minor is illegal is coz they are too young to understand repercussions and responsibility and are quite gullible and easily led.
    As a 12 year old girl i would have been so flattered if a 17 year old boy was interested in me. (which kind of makes him a sick bastard, but beyond the point) I probably wouldnt have slept with him, not understanding how it all worked for a few more years, but you can see how she could fall for it, peer pressures a bitch. Her parents obviously didnt instill the best values in her, and while its disgusting that they have that shit in there house where the kid can get to it, thats not indicative of her age, just of both of them being shit parents. The other girl on here who was 13 when she got pregnant with her first, i dont see a problem with again, it sounds like you love her and look after her and THATS what matters. I didnt have my first till i was 24, and that was early enough for me, but my mate was 14 when she had her first, now has 3 and is one of the best mothers i have ever met, its not the age its the maturity, but it sounds like this girl doesnt have either!

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  39. Alyric says:

    @Natashja

    I’m with zola on this one.

    Generally speaking, I don’t have much sympathy for morons and criminals. I don’t care what kind of problems they had, what their childhood was like, etc. There’s plenty of people who grow up with the same problems and turn out just fine – whatever their circumstances, in the end they chose to turn to crime.

    But I don’t equate 11 year-olds with the capability to make responsible, reasoned decisions. I have a hard time believing that any sane, rational person would.

    Everyone around this child failed her. Her parents, teachers, relatives, neighbors – and the people who would prefer to essentially call an eleven year-old child a slut rather than do something to help.

    Congratulations on being part of the problem.

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  40. Alyric says:

    @Natashja

    I’m with zola on this one.

    Generally speaking, I don’t have much sympathy for morons and criminals. I don’t care what kind of problems they had, what their childhood was like, etc. There’s plenty of people who grow up with the same problems and turn out just fine – whatever their circumstances, in the end they chose to turn to crime.

    But I don’t equate 11 year-olds with the capability to make responsible, reasoned decisions. I have a hard time believing that any sane, rational person would.

    Everyone around this child failed her. Her parents, teachers, relatives, neighbors – and the people who would prefer to essentially call an eleven year-old child a slut rather than do something to help.

    Congratulations on being part of the problem.

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  41. Natashja says:

    Ah boohoo, everyone failed her… So her child had to die. May she be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. At the age in question, a child has the cognitive ability to understand their actions. This “helpless little girl” played with fire and got burnt. She has to carry the consequences of her actions.
    And no, I have not called her a slut, or trash or whatever. Unlike you guys I reserve defaming another person or making a judgment call on their character.

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  42. Natashja says:

    Ah boohoo, everyone failed her… So her child had to die. May she be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. At the age in question, a child has the cognitive ability to understand their actions. This “helpless little girl” played with fire and got burnt. She has to carry the consequences of her actions.
    And no, I have not called her a slut, or trash or whatever. Unlike you guys I reserve defaming another person or making a judgment call on their character.

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  43. AppalachianTeacher says:

    A twelve-year-old does not have the capacity to make big decisions on her own — whether regarding sex, use of alcohol/drugs, or what sort of career or educational path to pursue. The child in question was not prepared to handle motherhood, regardless of how much her parents helped her.
    Natashja — a twelve-year-old is NOT cognitively (or emotionally) mature enough for parenthood. However, a “normal” fourteen-year-old (without disabilities) should be able to make decisions that will affect herself and her child in a positive manner. A fourteen-year-old, particuarly one with parental help, should know that making meth is a BAD idea, and that leaving any sort of chemical within reach of a toddler is a REALLY bad idea.
    How to define within reach? Well, anything that a child can grab off of a table or counter without climbing, or anything they CAN reach by climbing. My oldest nephew, at age two, used a chair, the kitchen counter, and a few boxes to get cookies that were on top of the fridge. At age three, my niece knocked my drink off of the table — the drink was *three and a half feet* from any edge. Small children can reach farther than adults expect, and are extremely resourceful — if little Kayden thought the mug had something yummy that Mommy said he couldn’t have, he likely figured out a way to get it. The best solution to these sorts of situations? Obviously, DON’T make meth, but keep anything dangerous in a locked cabinet or closet. Don’t assume that on the counter and close to the wall is out of reach. Plenty of good parents have had that one moment in which they forgot to put the lysol away, or when the parents’ shampoo (which is NOT baby-safe) was easy enough for the child to reach, and have had to flush shampoo from eyes or call poison control to save a life.

    My point is that I don’t completely blame a twelve-year-old for getting pregnant, but I DO think a fourteen-year-old should face some consequence for her child’s death.
    Sadly, based on statistics, it’s very likely that this girl has dropped out of school to attempt to raise her child — which means that her education is either some form of home-school (in an environment where her parents didn’t seem to think any kind of sex ed was important) or isn’t meeting any kind of requrements. Which means that she’s quite probably only learning from the experiences of her parents and other family members — which are valuable, but should not be the only source of information.

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  44. AppalachianTeacher says:

    A twelve-year-old does not have the capacity to make big decisions on her own — whether regarding sex, use of alcohol/drugs, or what sort of career or educational path to pursue. The child in question was not prepared to handle motherhood, regardless of how much her parents helped her.
    Natashja — a twelve-year-old is NOT cognitively (or emotionally) mature enough for parenthood. However, a “normal” fourteen-year-old (without disabilities) should be able to make decisions that will affect herself and her child in a positive manner. A fourteen-year-old, particuarly one with parental help, should know that making meth is a BAD idea, and that leaving any sort of chemical within reach of a toddler is a REALLY bad idea.
    How to define within reach? Well, anything that a child can grab off of a table or counter without climbing, or anything they CAN reach by climbing. My oldest nephew, at age two, used a chair, the kitchen counter, and a few boxes to get cookies that were on top of the fridge. At age three, my niece knocked my drink off of the table — the drink was *three and a half feet* from any edge. Small children can reach farther than adults expect, and are extremely resourceful — if little Kayden thought the mug had something yummy that Mommy said he couldn’t have, he likely figured out a way to get it. The best solution to these sorts of situations? Obviously, DON’T make meth, but keep anything dangerous in a locked cabinet or closet. Don’t assume that on the counter and close to the wall is out of reach. Plenty of good parents have had that one moment in which they forgot to put the lysol away, or when the parents’ shampoo (which is NOT baby-safe) was easy enough for the child to reach, and have had to flush shampoo from eyes or call poison control to save a life.

    My point is that I don’t completely blame a twelve-year-old for getting pregnant, but I DO think a fourteen-year-old should face some consequence for her child’s death.
    Sadly, based on statistics, it’s very likely that this girl has dropped out of school to attempt to raise her child — which means that her education is either some form of home-school (in an environment where her parents didn’t seem to think any kind of sex ed was important) or isn’t meeting any kind of requrements. Which means that she’s quite probably only learning from the experiences of her parents and other family members — which are valuable, but should not be the only source of information.

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  45. LeeAnn says:

    @Natashja
    That was a typo, I meant that is hopefully the last time I ever have to call them. Do you really think I would wish harm on one of my children? Please! Typos happen to ya know. Just like accidents. And yes, sometimes kids are quicker than their parents. What am I supposed to do? Not use the bathroom? I have household cleaners on lockdown but the nicotine gum was my husband’s and I didn’t even see the piece she ate. No, it can’t kill my child but she still got sick. Am I a bad mom because she got into something when my back is turned? NO, I’m not. She just happened to see it when I didn’t. She sees her dad chew it all the time. It was an accident. IT happens. So, before you give yourself an award for being perfect and putting others down, back off. It’s not like she drank Draino. And I saw her put it in her mouth, she swallowed it when she saw me coming towards her. At least my husband and I are trying to provide a healthier home and life by quitting smoking. That is how much I care. My 12 year old asked me to quit and I did. My husband followed suit.

    @Anatasia, did I ever say in my post that it was ok for a 13 year old to get pregnant? No, I don’t think I did. I just think that before everyone starts bashing this girl just because of her age they should think again. Some of the greatest Mom’s I know are young like me. Would I want this for my now 13 year old daughter? No. Have I taught her to be more responsible for herself? Yes. Was I taught better than that? Yes. It was an accident. The best accident of my life but an accident. You don’t know me from George, so please don’t judge. To say I wasn’t taught better than that is insulting. Even though I had my daughter at 14, I have since graduated high school and college. I have a bachelor’s degree in legal studies. People make mistakes. Obviously you don’t because you were “taught” better than that. Sorry not all of us are “perfect” like you.

    @ Trench. Thanks! She was a BIG surprise but I had support. My Mom helped. Not raised, helped.

    @ Babushka
    Thanks. Maturity means alot. Knowing that you have to keep a house clean or keep chemicals put away. I had never called poison control until my youngest swallowed the nicotine gum. My oldest never ingested anything that could make her sick.

    I think alot of you on here are very judgmental based on age alone. That is crap. Yes, she is very young to have a 22 month old. But, whether she is 14 or 24, she still would have been a crappy Mom based on her circumstances. Maybe when she showed up at the clinic at 11 pregnant, more should have been done, if it already wasn’t. I know I had to take parenting classes and learn infant and toddler CPR and heimleich. It’s not socially acceptable for a 12-14 year old to have babies but you know what? It DOES happen. Every day in cities across the world.

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  46. LeeAnn says:

    @Natashja
    That was a typo, I meant that is hopefully the last time I ever have to call them. Do you really think I would wish harm on one of my children? Please! Typos happen to ya know. Just like accidents. And yes, sometimes kids are quicker than their parents. What am I supposed to do? Not use the bathroom? I have household cleaners on lockdown but the nicotine gum was my husband’s and I didn’t even see the piece she ate. No, it can’t kill my child but she still got sick. Am I a bad mom because she got into something when my back is turned? NO, I’m not. She just happened to see it when I didn’t. She sees her dad chew it all the time. It was an accident. IT happens. So, before you give yourself an award for being perfect and putting others down, back off. It’s not like she drank Draino. And I saw her put it in her mouth, she swallowed it when she saw me coming towards her. At least my husband and I are trying to provide a healthier home and life by quitting smoking. That is how much I care. My 12 year old asked me to quit and I did. My husband followed suit.

    @Anatasia, did I ever say in my post that it was ok for a 13 year old to get pregnant? No, I don’t think I did. I just think that before everyone starts bashing this girl just because of her age they should think again. Some of the greatest Mom’s I know are young like me. Would I want this for my now 13 year old daughter? No. Have I taught her to be more responsible for herself? Yes. Was I taught better than that? Yes. It was an accident. The best accident of my life but an accident. You don’t know me from George, so please don’t judge. To say I wasn’t taught better than that is insulting. Even though I had my daughter at 14, I have since graduated high school and college. I have a bachelor’s degree in legal studies. People make mistakes. Obviously you don’t because you were “taught” better than that. Sorry not all of us are “perfect” like you.

    @ Trench. Thanks! She was a BIG surprise but I had support. My Mom helped. Not raised, helped.

    @ Babushka
    Thanks. Maturity means alot. Knowing that you have to keep a house clean or keep chemicals put away. I had never called poison control until my youngest swallowed the nicotine gum. My oldest never ingested anything that could make her sick.

    I think alot of you on here are very judgmental based on age alone. That is crap. Yes, she is very young to have a 22 month old. But, whether she is 14 or 24, she still would have been a crappy Mom based on her circumstances. Maybe when she showed up at the clinic at 11 pregnant, more should have been done, if it already wasn’t. I know I had to take parenting classes and learn infant and toddler CPR and heimleich. It’s not socially acceptable for a 12-14 year old to have babies but you know what? It DOES happen. Every day in cities across the world.

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  47. LeeAnn says:

    @Natashja
    Before I forget. We don’t just leave poison laying around. I don’t put chemicals in cups for my child to drink. The gum incident was the first time she has ever been poisoned. And I say poisoned because it was acute nicotine poisoning. And trust me, I felt bad. Even though I was attending to a bodily function when it happened. I’m human and when I gotta go, I gott ago. However, according to the operator at poison control, that happens alot. Kids eat their parents cigarettes, cigars, chewing tobacco, nicotine gum and patches. Some people pick up bad habits growing up. That carries over into adulthood. We don’t want our children to eat this stuff. In my case, she climbed my computer desk while I was using the bathroom. It was on the highest shelf of my computer desk. My daughter is an adept climber for her age. I honestly did not think she could climb up that high.

    BTW, you are the only one who asked me about “wanting my child to be poisoned”. So, obviously, YOU misread my post. Maybe it was worded weird or a typo but who in their right mind would ask a mother if she wants to see her child poisoned? I agree with Zola, you do sound a wee bit unbalanced. If I wanted to poison my child, Trench would have a post up about me. I love my kids. It was just an incident I thought I would share on how kids are quick and do things parents may think they aren’t capable of.

    @Bamagirl
    I know I am an exception. I know alot of exceptions. I also know alot of girls who went down the wrong path after their babies were born. I am stubborn and independent. When I got pregnant I was not going to let that stop me from attaining my goals. I knew I would have to work harder. I knew I would need help. I wasn’t afraid to ask for it either. Because I knew eventually, I would not need it anymore. I refused to be stereotyped.

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  48. LeeAnn says:

    @Natashja
    Before I forget. We don’t just leave poison laying around. I don’t put chemicals in cups for my child to drink. The gum incident was the first time she has ever been poisoned. And I say poisoned because it was acute nicotine poisoning. And trust me, I felt bad. Even though I was attending to a bodily function when it happened. I’m human and when I gotta go, I gott ago. However, according to the operator at poison control, that happens alot. Kids eat their parents cigarettes, cigars, chewing tobacco, nicotine gum and patches. Some people pick up bad habits growing up. That carries over into adulthood. We don’t want our children to eat this stuff. In my case, she climbed my computer desk while I was using the bathroom. It was on the highest shelf of my computer desk. My daughter is an adept climber for her age. I honestly did not think she could climb up that high.

    BTW, you are the only one who asked me about “wanting my child to be poisoned”. So, obviously, YOU misread my post. Maybe it was worded weird or a typo but who in their right mind would ask a mother if she wants to see her child poisoned? I agree with Zola, you do sound a wee bit unbalanced. If I wanted to poison my child, Trench would have a post up about me. I love my kids. It was just an incident I thought I would share on how kids are quick and do things parents may think they aren’t capable of.

    @Bamagirl
    I know I am an exception. I know alot of exceptions. I also know alot of girls who went down the wrong path after their babies were born. I am stubborn and independent. When I got pregnant I was not going to let that stop me from attaining my goals. I knew I would have to work harder. I knew I would need help. I wasn’t afraid to ask for it either. Because I knew eventually, I would not need it anymore. I refused to be stereotyped.

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  49. Natashja says:

    @ LeeAnn – No, I don’t think that you want your kid poisoned but I was shocked at what you said. Before my QUESTION was turned into some type of accusations by another – someone could merely have pointed out it was a typo. I understand typos happen, but in this context it changed the whole meaning of the sentence. I commend you for giving up smoking for your child’s sake and said (in a previous post) that I could not comment on the nicotine gum as it is completely understandable that a child will think it is a sweet. Hell yes, I would also think it is a sweet — not knowing the difference. So please don’t construe my question as being a personal attack on you, when that was not my intention at all.

    @ AppalachianTeacher

    I also do not condemn this girl for falling pregnant although I do believe that she knew the difference between right and wrong. Having sex at the age of 11 is wrong. I don’t believe that a child of that age can have sexual desires as such, and do believe that her “boyfriend” emotionally manipulated her into sleeping with him. But not once in this whole scenario did she never have a choice. She should have learnt out of her mistake though. She decided to keep that baby and therefore she assumed responsibility for the baby. If she wanted to play mommy and house then surely she should have ensured that she will be acting in her child’s best interest and ask for help and advise. There are so many loving parents out there that could have given this child a wonderful future – I fault her for not giving that to her child. I agree with the rest that you said.

    I am not going to post any further on this subject. It is clear that some on this forum aren’t mature enough to respect another person’s view nor opinion on this matter if it differs from their own.

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  50. Natashja says:

    @ LeeAnn – No, I don’t think that you want your kid poisoned but I was shocked at what you said. Before my QUESTION was turned into some type of accusations by another – someone could merely have pointed out it was a typo. I understand typos happen, but in this context it changed the whole meaning of the sentence. I commend you for giving up smoking for your child’s sake and said (in a previous post) that I could not comment on the nicotine gum as it is completely understandable that a child will think it is a sweet. Hell yes, I would also think it is a sweet — not knowing the difference. So please don’t construe my question as being a personal attack on you, when that was not my intention at all.

    @ AppalachianTeacher

    I also do not condemn this girl for falling pregnant although I do believe that she knew the difference between right and wrong. Having sex at the age of 11 is wrong. I don’t believe that a child of that age can have sexual desires as such, and do believe that her “boyfriend” emotionally manipulated her into sleeping with him. But not once in this whole scenario did she never have a choice. She should have learnt out of her mistake though. She decided to keep that baby and therefore she assumed responsibility for the baby. If she wanted to play mommy and house then surely she should have ensured that she will be acting in her child’s best interest and ask for help and advise. There are so many loving parents out there that could have given this child a wonderful future – I fault her for not giving that to her child. I agree with the rest that you said.

    I am not going to post any further on this subject. It is clear that some on this forum aren’t mature enough to respect another person’s view nor opinion on this matter if it differs from their own.

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  51. Missi says:

    I live just one county over from Monticello,and I don’t know any of the people involved but I know people who do. According to what I keep hearing,the girl was in foster care when she became pregnant. I don’t think that excuses the grandparents of Kayden. Someone should have stepped up and taken custody of that child. The age of consent is not twelve or fourteen because that is not old enough to be responsible enough to care for a baby. I know there are exceptions to the rule. But in most cases,when a twelve year old has a child,nothing good will come of it.

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  52. Missi says:

    I live just one county over from Monticello,and I don’t know any of the people involved but I know people who do. According to what I keep hearing,the girl was in foster care when she became pregnant. I don’t think that excuses the grandparents of Kayden. Someone should have stepped up and taken custody of that child. The age of consent is not twelve or fourteen because that is not old enough to be responsible enough to care for a baby. I know there are exceptions to the rule. But in most cases,when a twelve year old has a child,nothing good will come of it.

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  53. torii says:

    That poor baby! I’ve read an article on what happens when someone swallows these type of chemicals. I am sick to my stomach. WHO THE HELL PUTS DRAINO IN A COFFEE CUP!?!?!?!

    The age of the mother is really sad. Where are her parents? She should be in foster care if they are not taking responsibility for her which it would appear they aren’t because the father should have been charged with molestation to a 11 or 12 year old! Now it is statutory rape. I really hope the police decide to charge him on both accounts. Now regardless of how bad I feel for the mom who seemingly has no one (not even her own son anymore) at age 14, I believe even an 8 year old would know that was wrong to leave draino out within reach of a baby.

    The real issue here is meth use. Drugs turn even the smartest people in drooling idiots. I’m sure that regardless of this girls age if you took the drugs out of the equation it most likely never would have happened. No one in their right mind would leave draino in a coffee mug. Only if you were strung out you would think it was a good idea.

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  54. torii says:

    That poor baby! I’ve read an article on what happens when someone swallows these type of chemicals. I am sick to my stomach. WHO THE HELL PUTS DRAINO IN A COFFEE CUP!?!?!?!

    The age of the mother is really sad. Where are her parents? She should be in foster care if they are not taking responsibility for her which it would appear they aren’t because the father should have been charged with molestation to a 11 or 12 year old! Now it is statutory rape. I really hope the police decide to charge him on both accounts. Now regardless of how bad I feel for the mom who seemingly has no one (not even her own son anymore) at age 14, I believe even an 8 year old would know that was wrong to leave draino out within reach of a baby.

    The real issue here is meth use. Drugs turn even the smartest people in drooling idiots. I’m sure that regardless of this girls age if you took the drugs out of the equation it most likely never would have happened. No one in their right mind would leave draino in a coffee mug. Only if you were strung out you would think it was a good idea.

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  55. LeeAnn says:

    @Torii
    Good point!

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  56. LeeAnn says:

    @Torii
    Good point!

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  57. CanadianMom says:

    All I keep thinking about is what my mother would have done to me if I came home pregnant at 11. Hoo boy, that is a scary idea.
    I had my first at the age of 20. (I was afraid to tell my Mom) I thought I was young *then*. But, when I found out, instinct (I guess) kicked in, and I gave up who I was. I stopped being a 20 year-old social drinker with a taste for too-loud rock-and-roll and all-nighters. I became a MOM. I gave up the rowdy friends, I childproofed my house, got myself a minivan.
    Anyway, what I’m getting at is, where’s the maternal instinct? How could anyone think that cups of chemicals laying around the house is OK? Young or not, YOU wouldn’t drink it, so make sure any little ones (who don’t know the danger) cannot get it.
    Common sense isn’t so common anymore, eh?
    I have been lucky with my children so far. I called a nurse’s hotline once because my oldest boy swallowed a penny. She told me no big deal, he’ll just poop it out. And he did, end of story. That’s the worst thing as far as eating or drinking things. But I totally agree, kids are fast, kids are sneaky, and I have never thought myself a bad mother for the penny incident. We all laugh about it now. But I have always kept all my hazardous chemicals locked up, always in the “Dangerous Stuff” cupboard. My guys know.
    That hasn’t stopped them from all the other sneaky stuff they’ve done though.
    A: The entire box of pancake mix dumped on the kitchen floor
    B: The take-out container of sweet and sour sauce poured on my sofa
    C: The entire box of Kleenex pulled out 1 by 1
    They’re curious. And they’re fast. Parental supervision is a must, we all know that. But you can’t hover over them all the time either, or they’ll grow up damaged anyhow.
    Even though my son swallowed a penny, I am still a good Mom. Accidents happen, they sure do. But as far as leaving poison around the house, in a container used to drink out of (!) is no accident. That’s dumb carelessness.
    Previous Poster LeeAnn, congratulations on the success with your surprise baby. Your responsibility exceeds mine, for sure. At 14 I was so selfish, I would never have been able to do what you’ve done.

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  58. CanadianMom says:

    All I keep thinking about is what my mother would have done to me if I came home pregnant at 11. Hoo boy, that is a scary idea.
    I had my first at the age of 20. (I was afraid to tell my Mom) I thought I was young *then*. But, when I found out, instinct (I guess) kicked in, and I gave up who I was. I stopped being a 20 year-old social drinker with a taste for too-loud rock-and-roll and all-nighters. I became a MOM. I gave up the rowdy friends, I childproofed my house, got myself a minivan.
    Anyway, what I’m getting at is, where’s the maternal instinct? How could anyone think that cups of chemicals laying around the house is OK? Young or not, YOU wouldn’t drink it, so make sure any little ones (who don’t know the danger) cannot get it.
    Common sense isn’t so common anymore, eh?
    I have been lucky with my children so far. I called a nurse’s hotline once because my oldest boy swallowed a penny. She told me no big deal, he’ll just poop it out. And he did, end of story. That’s the worst thing as far as eating or drinking things. But I totally agree, kids are fast, kids are sneaky, and I have never thought myself a bad mother for the penny incident. We all laugh about it now. But I have always kept all my hazardous chemicals locked up, always in the “Dangerous Stuff” cupboard. My guys know.
    That hasn’t stopped them from all the other sneaky stuff they’ve done though.
    A: The entire box of pancake mix dumped on the kitchen floor
    B: The take-out container of sweet and sour sauce poured on my sofa
    C: The entire box of Kleenex pulled out 1 by 1
    They’re curious. And they’re fast. Parental supervision is a must, we all know that. But you can’t hover over them all the time either, or they’ll grow up damaged anyhow.
    Even though my son swallowed a penny, I am still a good Mom. Accidents happen, they sure do. But as far as leaving poison around the house, in a container used to drink out of (!) is no accident. That’s dumb carelessness.
    Previous Poster LeeAnn, congratulations on the success with your surprise baby. Your responsibility exceeds mine, for sure. At 14 I was so selfish, I would never have been able to do what you’ve done.

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  59. Samantha says:

    Trench, Im so glad you said that too.
    I hate when children are called “accidents”.
    When people would say that about my daughter, I would say, no she wasnt an accident, she was unplanned.
    When my daughter was 2-3 yrs old, she climbed up on the kitchen counter, opened a bottle of Singulair (it was a sample bottle so it wasnt child proof) and ate the 10 pills that was in it. I learned my lesson after that! I knew I had it out of reach, but I didnt think that she would actually climb onto the counter and get them. Now all medications stay in the top cabinet, will child proof lids and all chemicals and cleaners are in a really high cabinet that I cant even reach!

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  60. Samantha says:

    Trench, Im so glad you said that too.
    I hate when children are called “accidents”.
    When people would say that about my daughter, I would say, no she wasnt an accident, she was unplanned.
    When my daughter was 2-3 yrs old, she climbed up on the kitchen counter, opened a bottle of Singulair (it was a sample bottle so it wasnt child proof) and ate the 10 pills that was in it. I learned my lesson after that! I knew I had it out of reach, but I didnt think that she would actually climb onto the counter and get them. Now all medications stay in the top cabinet, will child proof lids and all chemicals and cleaners are in a really high cabinet that I cant even reach!

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  61. Alyric says:

    Notice I never said she shouldn’t be held accountable for her child’s death.

    Rather, it was a response to your calling an eleven year old girl a slut.

    Bitch.

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  62. Alyric says:

    Notice I never said she shouldn’t be held accountable for her child’s death.

    Rather, it was a response to your calling an eleven year old girl a slut.

    Bitch.

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  63. Kathy says:

    How did a 12 y/o get out of foster care and into a relationship with a guy who was older? Seriously??? Why wasn’t she still in foster care? Did her parents get her back and then send her off to live with the boyfriend? There’s a lot here that fails to make sense. I’ve seen 16 y/o’s who are pregnant living in foster care, so it is very difficult for me to imagine that the system said, “Oh hey… well, you’re knocked up… wanna go live with perv?” Something’s missing from the story. As a foster mom, I’m leaning toward the idea that the 14 y/o had a pretty crappy childhood. It’s that whole cycle thing. Crappy parents breed kids who grow up to be crappy parents who breed kids who… well you get it. No NOT ALWAYS… but far more often than you think.

    Kids are having sex much younger (even kids from great homes with loving parents). They are exposed to adult situations everywhere. Seriously, commercials meant for kids (burger king, for example) have inappropriate themes. You can’t just let your kids watch cartoons any more without first previewing all of them (south park, family guy, king of the hill, etc., are not –in my opinion–suitable for young kids). Plus, there’s the blatant sexual activity on TV at all hours of the day: standard and cable. Are we really so surprised that an 11 y/o willingly had sex? TV/movies promote it all the time. Looks like fun. And, if you don’t have a content blocker on your internet service, your children have been or will be exposed to sexual content. Sex is thrown in everyone’s face, including our kids. I have stopped being shocked at the kids who are “getting busy” at younger ages.

    The tragedy is unplanned birth that turned into the neglectful death of a toddler. And, that toddler suffered. The 14 y/o and 19 y/o are definitely old enough to know that a meth lab is a BAD FREAKIN IDEA. This issue has very little to do with the age of conception and A LOT to do with the manufacture and use/intent to distribute meth. Meth is illegal. A death related to the manufacture of meth is murder, or in the very least manslaughter. They need to be held accountable. Hopefully, there’ll also be an opportunity for rehabilitation.

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  64. Kathy says:

    How did a 12 y/o get out of foster care and into a relationship with a guy who was older? Seriously??? Why wasn’t she still in foster care? Did her parents get her back and then send her off to live with the boyfriend? There’s a lot here that fails to make sense. I’ve seen 16 y/o’s who are pregnant living in foster care, so it is very difficult for me to imagine that the system said, “Oh hey… well, you’re knocked up… wanna go live with perv?” Something’s missing from the story. As a foster mom, I’m leaning toward the idea that the 14 y/o had a pretty crappy childhood. It’s that whole cycle thing. Crappy parents breed kids who grow up to be crappy parents who breed kids who… well you get it. No NOT ALWAYS… but far more often than you think.

    Kids are having sex much younger (even kids from great homes with loving parents). They are exposed to adult situations everywhere. Seriously, commercials meant for kids (burger king, for example) have inappropriate themes. You can’t just let your kids watch cartoons any more without first previewing all of them (south park, family guy, king of the hill, etc., are not –in my opinion–suitable for young kids). Plus, there’s the blatant sexual activity on TV at all hours of the day: standard and cable. Are we really so surprised that an 11 y/o willingly had sex? TV/movies promote it all the time. Looks like fun. And, if you don’t have a content blocker on your internet service, your children have been or will be exposed to sexual content. Sex is thrown in everyone’s face, including our kids. I have stopped being shocked at the kids who are “getting busy” at younger ages.

    The tragedy is unplanned birth that turned into the neglectful death of a toddler. And, that toddler suffered. The 14 y/o and 19 y/o are definitely old enough to know that a meth lab is a BAD FREAKIN IDEA. This issue has very little to do with the age of conception and A LOT to do with the manufacture and use/intent to distribute meth. Meth is illegal. A death related to the manufacture of meth is murder, or in the very least manslaughter. They need to be held accountable. Hopefully, there’ll also be an opportunity for rehabilitation.

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  65. Alyric says:

    Probably not murder, because murder requires intent: but definitely manslaughter.

    South Park, Family Guy, King of the Hill, and other animated shows are neither made nor intended for children. That said, a lot of the programs that *are* intended for children have inappropriate themes and content.

    Personally, if I had children I’d probably be in the “television gets unplugged for 14 years or so” category. I exaggerate… but not by much.

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  66. Alyric says:

    Probably not murder, because murder requires intent: but definitely manslaughter.

    South Park, Family Guy, King of the Hill, and other animated shows are neither made nor intended for children. That said, a lot of the programs that *are* intended for children have inappropriate themes and content.

    Personally, if I had children I’d probably be in the “television gets unplugged for 14 years or so” category. I exaggerate… but not by much.

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  67. Ihavekidstoo says:

    I agree that a 12-year-old/14-year-old isn’t in a position to make good life decisions for herself, and that her parents are in large part responsible for any bad decisions she’s allowed to make.

    What always mystifies me is how some people can go through the same rocky, misdirected, unguided, abused start that comes from a neglected, parentless childhood and still manage to turn their lives around. They grow up in a bad environment, with no actual experience of anything better, yet still they somehow manage to realize that they need to break out of the cycle. We have plenty of posters on this forum who had truly shitty childhoods but have gone on to be great parents and productive members of society with little help from anyone else.

    If THEY can do it, what prevents others in similar situations (oh, like this 14-year-old girl) from doing the same thing? It’s an oversimplification to say you can’t blame the individual for their bad situation. That may be true, but you CAN blame them for not making the choice to get OUT of the bad situation, because so many other people walking the same path HAVE done so.

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  68. Ihavekidstoo says:

    I agree that a 12-year-old/14-year-old isn’t in a position to make good life decisions for herself, and that her parents are in large part responsible for any bad decisions she’s allowed to make.

    What always mystifies me is how some people can go through the same rocky, misdirected, unguided, abused start that comes from a neglected, parentless childhood and still manage to turn their lives around. They grow up in a bad environment, with no actual experience of anything better, yet still they somehow manage to realize that they need to break out of the cycle. We have plenty of posters on this forum who had truly shitty childhoods but have gone on to be great parents and productive members of society with little help from anyone else.

    If THEY can do it, what prevents others in similar situations (oh, like this 14-year-old girl) from doing the same thing? It’s an oversimplification to say you can’t blame the individual for their bad situation. That may be true, but you CAN blame them for not making the choice to get OUT of the bad situation, because so many other people walking the same path HAVE done so.

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  69. Kathy says:

    IHK2: I’m beginning to think it’s a person’s wiring. I think some people are born to overcome no matter what is thrown at them (read the series that starts with A Child Called It). Some people seem to be unable to break free. BUT, that does not absolve them of responsibility for injuries/death incurred by their children. Even if they can’t break the cycle, I do believe they “know” what they’re doing is wrong. And, if they know it, they should seek help. I think there’s a lot of “what will people think of me” fear that keeps people from admitting their weaknesses.

    It’s a crazy world full of crazy people. I just don’t get it.

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  70. Kathy says:

    IHK2: I’m beginning to think it’s a person’s wiring. I think some people are born to overcome no matter what is thrown at them (read the series that starts with A Child Called It). Some people seem to be unable to break free. BUT, that does not absolve them of responsibility for injuries/death incurred by their children. Even if they can’t break the cycle, I do believe they “know” what they’re doing is wrong. And, if they know it, they should seek help. I think there’s a lot of “what will people think of me” fear that keeps people from admitting their weaknesses.

    It’s a crazy world full of crazy people. I just don’t get it.

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  71. Samantha says:

    Kathy, I have that book and read it all the way through at one time. Second time I read it, I did the same. My 8 year old daughter has also read it. I wasnt too keen on the idea of her reading it, but then I thought, well she thinks Im so mean because of the boundaries I give her she can see what a mean parent is really like. She did appreciate me much more after reading the book, for a couple of weeks at least 🙂

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  72. Samantha says:

    Kathy, I have that book and read it all the way through at one time. Second time I read it, I did the same. My 8 year old daughter has also read it. I wasnt too keen on the idea of her reading it, but then I thought, well she thinks Im so mean because of the boundaries I give her she can see what a mean parent is really like. She did appreciate me much more after reading the book, for a couple of weeks at least 🙂

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  73. LeeAnn says:

    I’ve read A Child Called It also. So has my oldest daughter. Kathy and IHK2, I agree with you. Criminals always use their childhood as an excuse for their crimes. I had a pretty good childhood yet still ended up pregnant at 13. Did I let that pregnancy (unplanned and totally a surprise) ruin my entire life? No. If anything, seeing my daughter for the first time made me more determined to make something of myself.

    I do feel for this girl. I have been in shoes similar to hers. Except, I had the love and support of my awesome mother. Without that support, who knows how different things could have been for me. However, 14 is old enough to know that putting drain cleaner in a cup is a stupid idea. Fourteen is old enough to know better than to build a meth lab with a toddler on the premises. At the very least the boyfriend should have known better. Should she face some criminal charges? Yes and so should the boyfriend. I don’t know how I feel about her sitting in jail for the rest of her life though. She was let down on so many levels. And she will always carry around the guilt that she killed her son through her own stupidity.

    Anyway, just a couple of other quick responses to people.

    Anastasia. My daughter is not nor ever was an “it”. People are not “it”. They are people. That’s just rude. Especially when I mentioned in my post that I had a daughter by saying she repeatedly.

    Natashaja. Sorry for getting a little emotionally charged with your response but the multiple question marks and the wording of your post made it seem very much like a personal attack. I’m human. I’m not perfect. End of story. Besides, at least I called poison control. 🙂

    Canadian Mom. I laughed at your post. My youngest daughter did the Kleenex thing with a jumbo box of kleenex. And really, your back only needs to be turned for like 5 minutes and they are into something. She has dumped an entire bag of cotton balls in my toilet. We are toilet training and she likes to flush things down the toilet. I now have the plumber on speed dial. She has also flushed dog food, a dog toy, an entire roll of toilet paper, paper, peaches, makeup and a wash cloth down the toilet. She always waits till I make dinner then she opens the door to the bathroom and starts flusing stuff. Oh, the reason we use the “big” toilet is she won’t use a potty chair. She thinks it is icky! haha Gotta love kids. But yes, kids can be sneaky. Even a toddler. Especially if they know they are not supposed to have what they have.

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  74. LeeAnn says:

    I’ve read A Child Called It also. So has my oldest daughter. Kathy and IHK2, I agree with you. Criminals always use their childhood as an excuse for their crimes. I had a pretty good childhood yet still ended up pregnant at 13. Did I let that pregnancy (unplanned and totally a surprise) ruin my entire life? No. If anything, seeing my daughter for the first time made me more determined to make something of myself.

    I do feel for this girl. I have been in shoes similar to hers. Except, I had the love and support of my awesome mother. Without that support, who knows how different things could have been for me. However, 14 is old enough to know that putting drain cleaner in a cup is a stupid idea. Fourteen is old enough to know better than to build a meth lab with a toddler on the premises. At the very least the boyfriend should have known better. Should she face some criminal charges? Yes and so should the boyfriend. I don’t know how I feel about her sitting in jail for the rest of her life though. She was let down on so many levels. And she will always carry around the guilt that she killed her son through her own stupidity.

    Anyway, just a couple of other quick responses to people.

    Anastasia. My daughter is not nor ever was an “it”. People are not “it”. They are people. That’s just rude. Especially when I mentioned in my post that I had a daughter by saying she repeatedly.

    Natashaja. Sorry for getting a little emotionally charged with your response but the multiple question marks and the wording of your post made it seem very much like a personal attack. I’m human. I’m not perfect. End of story. Besides, at least I called poison control. 🙂

    Canadian Mom. I laughed at your post. My youngest daughter did the Kleenex thing with a jumbo box of kleenex. And really, your back only needs to be turned for like 5 minutes and they are into something. She has dumped an entire bag of cotton balls in my toilet. We are toilet training and she likes to flush things down the toilet. I now have the plumber on speed dial. She has also flushed dog food, a dog toy, an entire roll of toilet paper, paper, peaches, makeup and a wash cloth down the toilet. She always waits till I make dinner then she opens the door to the bathroom and starts flusing stuff. Oh, the reason we use the “big” toilet is she won’t use a potty chair. She thinks it is icky! haha Gotta love kids. But yes, kids can be sneaky. Even a toddler. Especially if they know they are not supposed to have what they have.

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  75. sfdude_2008 says:

    You stupid parents! They actually cared more about their precious drugs…AND ACTUALLY FORGOT THAT THEY HAD A BLESSING!!! WAKE UP CALL!!!

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  76. sfdude_2008 says:

    You stupid parents! They actually cared more about their precious drugs…AND ACTUALLY FORGOT THAT THEY HAD A BLESSING!!! WAKE UP CALL!!!

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  77. bamagirl says:

    sfdude:

    You crack me up! I love that you never mince words.

    Greetings from Palo Alto!

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  78. bamagirl says:

    sfdude:

    You crack me up! I love that you never mince words.

    Greetings from Palo Alto!

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  79. sfdude_2008 says:

    LMAO Glad that you liked my comment/rant here, bamagirl.

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  80. sfdude_2008 says:

    LMAO Glad that you liked my comment/rant here, bamagirl.

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  81. LIsa says:

    Anastasia, I’m impressed by YOU! You had enough wisdom at 13 to realize you were too young to engage in such behavior. How did your parents instill that wisdom into you? Please share.

    You said, “Do you really think getting preggo at 13 is ok? Regardles if your mom helped you raise it or whatever. No way … I was taught way better than that. I wasnt even thinkign about sex at 13 and i was definitely never in a situation where I would be having sex at 13. Wow. I agree with RD this world is getting raelly sad.”

    Bully for you!

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  82. LIsa says:

    Anastasia, I’m impressed by YOU! You had enough wisdom at 13 to realize you were too young to engage in such behavior. How did your parents instill that wisdom into you? Please share.

    You said, “Do you really think getting preggo at 13 is ok? Regardles if your mom helped you raise it or whatever. No way … I was taught way better than that. I wasnt even thinkign about sex at 13 and i was definitely never in a situation where I would be having sex at 13. Wow. I agree with RD this world is getting raelly sad.”

    Bully for you!

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  83. zola says:

    Natashja,

    I am unwilling to believe that you are a good lawyer, if you are one at all, given the evidence of your poor reading comprehension, bad writing, and your over-the-top willingness to piss off strangers for no good reason other than perhaps to get some attention. People with demanding jobs tend to get enough drama in the course of their work days. Then again, I’ve worked with high-functioning morons who made it through school & into professions via their parents’ checkbooks or through sleeping around, or a combination of those, so who knows. Good luck to your child.

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  84. zola says:

    Natashja,

    I am unwilling to believe that you are a good lawyer, if you are one at all, given the evidence of your poor reading comprehension, bad writing, and your over-the-top willingness to piss off strangers for no good reason other than perhaps to get some attention. People with demanding jobs tend to get enough drama in the course of their work days. Then again, I’ve worked with high-functioning morons who made it through school & into professions via their parents’ checkbooks or through sleeping around, or a combination of those, so who knows. Good luck to your child.

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  85. Natashja says:

    @ Zola

    Ag my moeder, so ‘n mondjie moet ‘n soentjie kry. Jy is lagwekkend verby.

    You do understand sarcasm, don’t you? Now go and play with your toys and your dangerous poisons.

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  86. Natashja says:

    @ Zola

    Ag my moeder, so ‘n mondjie moet ‘n soentjie kry. Jy is lagwekkend verby.

    You do understand sarcasm, don’t you? Now go and play with your toys and your dangerous poisons.

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  87. sfdude_2008 says:

    @Zola and Natashja, come on, you guys! We should fight the same battle, not against each other.

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  88. sfdude_2008 says:

    @Zola and Natashja, come on, you guys! We should fight the same battle, not against each other.

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  89. Rachel313 says:

    Natashja: I think you will find that on this site its almost IMPOSSIBLE to have an opinion that remotely opposes the opinions of the vast majority of “regulars” who make posting on this site a daily task … If you do then you will have to face the wrath of a bunch of very judgmental people (ex: zola) who think personal insults are a good way to form the basis of a counter argument. But then again, these are the same people who are somehow able to justify this girl getting pregnant at such a young age. I know my daughter will DEFINITELY know the difference between right and wrong when it comes to boys, sex, drugs, and all of the above by the time she is 12!!!!! No doubt about it …

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  90. Rachel313 says:

    Natashja: I think you will find that on this site its almost IMPOSSIBLE to have an opinion that remotely opposes the opinions of the vast majority of “regulars” who make posting on this site a daily task … If you do then you will have to face the wrath of a bunch of very judgmental people (ex: zola) who think personal insults are a good way to form the basis of a counter argument. But then again, these are the same people who are somehow able to justify this girl getting pregnant at such a young age. I know my daughter will DEFINITELY know the difference between right and wrong when it comes to boys, sex, drugs, and all of the above by the time she is 12!!!!! No doubt about it …

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  91. Natashja says:

    Thanks Rachel313, I appreciate your comment and totally agree with you! I know I should not even lower myself to respond to her insults. It clearly stems from insecurity and God knows I have better things to do with my time. Would love to see Zola’s reasoning ability in afrikaans though (which is my FIRST language) – Z, moontlik kan jy jouself teen ongevraagde aantygings verdedig, maar jy het jouself bewys as ‘n ongepoetse ou dingetie wat nie ‘n behoorlike argument kan formuleer nie. So moontlik nie.

    Rachel313, I dont know you but I am sure you will succeed in raising your daughter with values and integrity. I wish you all the best. I thank God, I have a little boy and another one on his way (after that, the shop is closed) – I think little girls are so much harder to raise as they are so much more vulnerable. Take care.

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  92. Natashja says:

    Thanks Rachel313, I appreciate your comment and totally agree with you! I know I should not even lower myself to respond to her insults. It clearly stems from insecurity and God knows I have better things to do with my time. Would love to see Zola’s reasoning ability in afrikaans though (which is my FIRST language) – Z, moontlik kan jy jouself teen ongevraagde aantygings verdedig, maar jy het jouself bewys as ‘n ongepoetse ou dingetie wat nie ‘n behoorlike argument kan formuleer nie. So moontlik nie.

    Rachel313, I dont know you but I am sure you will succeed in raising your daughter with values and integrity. I wish you all the best. I thank God, I have a little boy and another one on his way (after that, the shop is closed) – I think little girls are so much harder to raise as they are so much more vulnerable. Take care.

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  93. Jen says:

    Lee Ann, I agree that people here have a tendency to have a prejudice to young moms. Now I’m not saying that getting preggers too early is desirable, but many girls get pregnant early in life and are fine moms. And there are moms that have kids at a “reasonable” age that are horrible abusive bitches. I think it just has to do with the person. Some people have it in them to abuse a child. Some don’t.

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  94. Jen says:

    Lee Ann, I agree that people here have a tendency to have a prejudice to young moms. Now I’m not saying that getting preggers too early is desirable, but many girls get pregnant early in life and are fine moms. And there are moms that have kids at a “reasonable” age that are horrible abusive bitches. I think it just has to do with the person. Some people have it in them to abuse a child. Some don’t.

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  95. Samantha says:

    Rachel, please dont judge us all because of the comments of one person. I am a regular here and though my opinions may vary from others, I don’t rely on personal attacks to get my point out. Neither do the other “regulars” I see on here most often.
    As for the age thing, I don’t condone young girls getting pregnant, but we all know it happens. The best thing for that situation, to me, is to be supportive. Make the best of the situation because after all, there is a blessing coming from it. I was young when I had my daughter and I am so thankful for having loving supportive parents. I dont think the “age” of the mother is the basis of whether she will be a good parent. I its more of the maturity level. I know 16 and 17 year olds who are far more mature than some 30 year olds. I also think family life has a lot to do with it also.

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  96. Samantha says:

    Rachel, please dont judge us all because of the comments of one person. I am a regular here and though my opinions may vary from others, I don’t rely on personal attacks to get my point out. Neither do the other “regulars” I see on here most often.
    As for the age thing, I don’t condone young girls getting pregnant, but we all know it happens. The best thing for that situation, to me, is to be supportive. Make the best of the situation because after all, there is a blessing coming from it. I was young when I had my daughter and I am so thankful for having loving supportive parents. I dont think the “age” of the mother is the basis of whether she will be a good parent. I its more of the maturity level. I know 16 and 17 year olds who are far more mature than some 30 year olds. I also think family life has a lot to do with it also.

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  97. MesquiteGirl says:

    This is a very sad situation indeed. This poor baby deserved better.

    IMO anyone who is having sex at 11 years old probably does not have the family support system to help her through pregnancy and child rearing. It was a lose, lose for mother and child.

    I also don’t understand how anyone can sit in judgment of an 11 or 12 year old child with a baby. How much does anyone understand about babies and mothering at 12 years old? My parents adopted my little sister when I as 11 and I can tell you that babysitting for a few minutes for my mom when she was taking a shower was a traumatic event for me. I loved my sister very much and don’t think that I was immature for an 11 year old but I wasn’t mentally ready to take her on except for a few minutes at time.

    Again, JMO. Flame away!!!

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  98. MesquiteGirl says:

    This is a very sad situation indeed. This poor baby deserved better.

    IMO anyone who is having sex at 11 years old probably does not have the family support system to help her through pregnancy and child rearing. It was a lose, lose for mother and child.

    I also don’t understand how anyone can sit in judgment of an 11 or 12 year old child with a baby. How much does anyone understand about babies and mothering at 12 years old? My parents adopted my little sister when I as 11 and I can tell you that babysitting for a few minutes for my mom when she was taking a shower was a traumatic event for me. I loved my sister very much and don’t think that I was immature for an 11 year old but I wasn’t mentally ready to take her on except for a few minutes at time.

    Again, JMO. Flame away!!!

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  99. Kathy Thomas says:

    The infant is a part of mother, physically, emotionally and believes HE/SHE IS PART OF THE MOTHER prior to and and after birth, this called EGO CENTRISM, perfectly normal for this stage of development. When the PARENT is still EGOCENTRIC, a part of them never WENT BEYOND THIS STAGE FOR SOME (PROBABLY FAMILIALY/EXPOSURE/NEGLECT ISSUE THEMSELVES. THESE FLAW NEVER DEVELOPED BEYOND THAT INFANT STAGE.
    METH reinforcements further than cycle. We need to as voters, petition to the lawmakers, to place further restrictions on the ingredients that are so readily available to meth “CEOS”. Those restrictions are long overdue, lawmakers ARE MAKING THE PRODUCTIN OF METH SOOOO EASY FOR THESE PEOPLE. WHY I ASK? IS THE GOVERNMENT TRYING TO SERUPTICIOUSLY TRYING TO DOWN-DUMB OUR SOCIETY GENERATIONALLY?

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  100. Kathy Thomas says:

    The infant is a part of mother, physically, emotionally and believes HE/SHE IS PART OF THE MOTHER prior to and and after birth, this called EGO CENTRISM, perfectly normal for this stage of development. When the PARENT is still EGOCENTRIC, a part of them never WENT BEYOND THIS STAGE FOR SOME (PROBABLY FAMILIALY/EXPOSURE/NEGLECT ISSUE THEMSELVES. THESE FLAW NEVER DEVELOPED BEYOND THAT INFANT STAGE.
    METH reinforcements further than cycle. We need to as voters, petition to the lawmakers, to place further restrictions on the ingredients that are so readily available to meth “CEOS”. Those restrictions are long overdue, lawmakers ARE MAKING THE PRODUCTIN OF METH SOOOO EASY FOR THESE PEOPLE. WHY I ASK? IS THE GOVERNMENT TRYING TO SERUPTICIOUSLY TRYING TO DOWN-DUMB OUR SOCIETY GENERATIONALLY?

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  101. judy says:

    Sounds like a Jerry Springer show title in the beginning, but how come those four adults are
    mentioned? Were they the ones making the meth?

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  102. judy says:

    Sounds like a Jerry Springer show title in the beginning, but how come those four adults are
    mentioned? Were they the ones making the meth?

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  103. karen says:

    Jen
    Jun 5, 2009 at 1:55 am

    “Lee Ann, I agree that people here have a tendency to have a prejudice to young moms. Now I’m not saying that getting preggers too early is desirable, but many girls get pregnant early in life and are fine moms. And there are moms that have kids at a “reasonable” age that are horrible abusive bitches. I think it just has to do with the person. Some people have it in them to abuse a child. Some don’t.”

    jen…i think you said it all!!!! some girls at the age of 11 are more responsible and capable than those who are 18 or 19. i’m not promoting early motherhood but i’m also not prejudiced against it. i do feel sad for the girls who become mothers at such a terribly young age…they don’t get the chance to finish their own childhood and teenage years because they’re now responsible for a tiny little person and have to give up so much. no more hanging out, carefree with friends,etc. unless a parent is willing to step up and basically take over with raising the baby (mom could that way keep her child yet still finish school and have some of the fun that kids have). i think the reason alot of people throw out the “young mother/father/parents” phrase is because they feel someone so young isn’t mature enough to handle all the pressures that come with raising a baby. i’m not saying “all young parents”.
    again, i think jen said it best “some people have it in them to abuse others don’t”.
    regardless, this is a sad story.

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  104. karen says:

    Jen
    Jun 5, 2009 at 1:55 am

    “Lee Ann, I agree that people here have a tendency to have a prejudice to young moms. Now I’m not saying that getting preggers too early is desirable, but many girls get pregnant early in life and are fine moms. And there are moms that have kids at a “reasonable” age that are horrible abusive bitches. I think it just has to do with the person. Some people have it in them to abuse a child. Some don’t.”

    jen…i think you said it all!!!! some girls at the age of 11 are more responsible and capable than those who are 18 or 19. i’m not promoting early motherhood but i’m also not prejudiced against it. i do feel sad for the girls who become mothers at such a terribly young age…they don’t get the chance to finish their own childhood and teenage years because they’re now responsible for a tiny little person and have to give up so much. no more hanging out, carefree with friends,etc. unless a parent is willing to step up and basically take over with raising the baby (mom could that way keep her child yet still finish school and have some of the fun that kids have). i think the reason alot of people throw out the “young mother/father/parents” phrase is because they feel someone so young isn’t mature enough to handle all the pressures that come with raising a baby. i’m not saying “all young parents”.
    again, i think jen said it best “some people have it in them to abuse others don’t”.
    regardless, this is a sad story.

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  105. Jane says:

    She didn’t receive enough support from her family or society… all society did was point fingers and ridicule and then you wonder why she let things go and her baby is dead? lol

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  106. Jane says:

    She didn’t receive enough support from her family or society… all society did was point fingers and ridicule and then you wonder why she let things go and her baby is dead? lol

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  107. Jane says:

    WE are speaking of a child, right? Most of you sound so trashy with your talk against a child… if you really cared so much about CHILDREN as you claim, then your actions would make that clear… apparently it’s just a way for bored housewives to point their fingers and gossip.

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    1. anon says:

       I agree.. the nasty mouths show the level of class of those on board here to talk “trash” against CHILDREN!  If you promote the responsible care of and well-being of, I find it highly ironic in the next sentence you can go on berating another child who has a child of her own that is the product of statutory rape.
      what idiots…

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      1. Suzee says:

        You’re the freaking idiot. The girl in this article is a victim of statutory rape, but that does not excuse her lack of protection of her child. Yes, she was and still is young, but we are all taught at a young age, whether by our parents or school or both, that recreational drugs are not good for us and illegal. She should be held accountable for what happened to her child.

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        1. Eve Shelton69 says:

          for one thing it wasnt rape because he was only fucking 17 years old, and do you see how these girls dress now….., and she was a druggy so yeah if i hear about this again you better be ready and that goes for anyone who talks bad about brian but i do agree with you about her being accountable for what happened about the baby

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          1. The way a girl dresses makes it okay for her to be raped?  Oh, you are a dumb tw*t. 

            Why don’t I live in KY?  I’d fuck you up myself.

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          2. Shanna says:

             Are you stupid or what?  No one at the age of 12 is “asking for it”.   Also, do you realize you can’t even spell this man’s name right – you have it spelled “Bryan” in the previous post and “Brian” in this one.  Don’t you even know his name since it is obvious you are fucking him and blaming a 12-yr-old child?  You sound like a jealous piece of trash.  Maybe you should take the dick out of your mouth and remember a baby died because of this dickwad.  One last thing, I am not scared of your scuzzy STD infested ass.  Fucking methtard. 

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          3.  Well aren’t you the sharpest tool in the shed? Well I find it disgusting and wrong that you are defending a baby killer and a baby raper! Dude at 11 (I have a 10 year old who will be 11 soon!) they really don’t make clothes that are slutty because this is a damned CHILD! So yes it is baby rape. Hell maybe my son is sheltered but he has no idea what sex even is and he is still always not very far from my sights. He still is in the care of a responsible adult at all times so this entire situation is bullshit, one baby lost their life and another lost their innocence. If you seriously believe that a child at the age of 14 is fit to take care of another human being I suggest you quit smoking that meth because your brain is all kinds of fucked up.

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          4. Suzee says:

            Um, there is this wonderful thing called “Statutory Rape” you dumb c**t. That term means that even if the sex was consensual, the girl was under fucking age to be having sex in her state, and thus, according tot he state is no longer able to consent to sexual activity. Bryan is a sick fuck for being 17 and sleeping with a 12 year old. That is rape in the eyes of the law. Also, how young women and older women dress does not make them responsible for getting raped. That’s called victim blaming and I will not stand for it. Now, go take your stupid ass some where else. We don’t need you here.

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  108. Jane says:

    WE are speaking of a child, right? Most of you sound so trashy with your talk against a child… if you really cared so much about CHILDREN as you claim, then your actions would make that clear… apparently it’s just a way for bored housewives to point their fingers and gossip.

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  109. Disgusted says:

    Sadly, nothing about this story surprises me, including the age of the mother.

    I’m in a West Virginia college town, right at the border of Ohio and Kentucky, and I can assure you, people here don’t even cross over into Kentucky unless they have no choice. We may have our share of trash and bad parents in West Virginia, but Kentucky is infinitely worse.

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  110. Disgusted says:

    Sadly, nothing about this story surprises me, including the age of the mother.

    I’m in a West Virginia college town, right at the border of Ohio and Kentucky, and I can assure you, people here don’t even cross over into Kentucky unless they have no choice. We may have our share of trash and bad parents in West Virginia, but Kentucky is infinitely worse.

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  111. Digchild says:

    Wow,this story is a shocker.I wonder how the baby’s mom can be only 14 years old,though.

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  112. Eve Shelton69 says:

    you better not ever fucking talk about bryan again u dont know what your talking about you just think your a bad ass cause no one cant touch you on this web site if i ever find out who you are i will kick the shit thats coming out of your mouth back out your ass and the rest of you little basturdars shut the fuck up to

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    1. Deena says:

      Let me be the first to say…. I am truly frightened and quaking in my boots…. NO not really, defending a man who makes meth right there in the house with his baby… classy…again, NO not really. STFU

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    2. Oh, you’re a scary little c**t, aren’t you?  Watch the threats, dumplin.  One of us might just be wicked crazy enough to take you up on it.  Running your dicksucker has probably been know to cause you trouble.  How about you use it for something more worth your while.

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  113. Debbie62 says:

    MONTICELLO, Ky. (AP) — A judge has delayed the trial of four people charged in connection with the death of a toddler who drank drain cleaner.
    The case revolves around the May 2009 death of 20-month-old Kayden Branham. The boy died after drinking the substance, which he found in a cup after others allegedly used it to make methamphetamine.
    Jury selection in the case had been set to begin Wednesday, but defense attorneys asked for a continuance and Circuit Judge Vernon Miniard Jr. granted it, according to the Lexington Herald-Leader (http://bit.ly/qsi2tY)
    Attorneys said they concerns about all four people being tried together.
    Charged in the case are Kayden’s father, Bryan Daniels; the boy’s grandfather, Larry Branham; Danny Ray Anderson II, Kayden’s great-uncle; and James Hunt.
    All have maintained their innocence.

    This is from 9/15/12. Just an update.
    And yes it was rape as she was 11 years old he was 16-17? There is more than a THREE year age difference, plus she was not even close to the age of consent. But my question here is where the HELL were HER parents??? Is her father the one also charged in this case? This baby died in 2009 and he still does not have justice for what happened to him. RIP little one.

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  114. ava_paige says:

    Take your ass off of this site if you don’t like what’s said. How surprising, a Meth defender threatening bodily harm. Ummm..he was 17..she was around 12..that’s rape. Why do they always start talking after a child’s lost their life? No one defended an innocent 2 year old..so here at BB these babies will have a voice and will be remembered, not the scum who take their lives away. What’s that name again…BRYAN DANIELS that was charged with MURDER..Don’t you have an ICP concert to go to?

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  115. ava_paige says:

    Wanna take a trip? I’d be happy to join…but weren’t there 4 other people arrested in connection to this? Manufacturing of Meth…maybe this is one of them…hmm

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    1. Naw. She’s probably just some dick drunk jizz slurper who lacks the self esteem to go fetch herself another piece of man meat to plug her useless hole.

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